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Coronavirus on the road


The wife and I are having a discussion. Are full-timers less or more susceptible to contracting COVID-19 (or any other disease) as we move about the country? We typically relocate every 3-4 days (except during our "wintering over" stays) and usually have only casual contact with other campers. So besides the weekly visit to grocery stores, we're pretty much loners.  Care to chime in?  Sidebar: Our fiver doesn't have a lot of extra space for 144 rolls of toilet paper.  FYI.



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I've never been able to understand how hoarding toilet paper is going to benefit anyone.  As for safety from the disease, treat it like a serious flu event.  Wash one's hands regularly and avoid large crowds.  Like you, the wife and I are pretty much loners, although we do get together on Sundays with others at church that are in our "small group."  We meet in different one's homes instead of at the church building, which is where we have our morning services.

As an example, the wife and I have 7 full rolls of toilet paper in the cabinet.  That should last us for at least three weeks, if not longer.  And, other than an occasional trip to the grocery store, we don't do much "gathering" with a lot of folks.  We do get in our morning walks in a local shopping mall if it is cold or windy outside, but otherwise, we prefer to get our 3 mile walks outdoors.

Simple suggestion is to just take normal precautions and avoid crowds.  Some are saying that hotels and motels could be something to be concerned with, but we aren't too worried about that even.  When we go do the road surveying in Indiana again this year, we stay in the better hotels, so we probably should be OK there as well.

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Agree with Terry ... this has been blown up to the point that you would think the plague is imminent. One point of information ... when the News(?) reports 200,000 "confirmed cases" world wide ... that would lead most people to believe that there are 200,000 people CURRENTLY SICK world wide. That is not true. The confirmed cases always goes up because once a case is "confirmed" it continues to be counted in that number even if the patient has recovered. Of the "confirmed cases" you can reasonably conclude that at least 50% are no longer sick and 40% have a very mild illness (based on currently available information). The MSM does not report how many "currently sick" people there are. This nuance seems to over report the disease and is causing fear and hoarding. By understanding that "confirmed cases" includes not only current cases but all historical cases as well, you begin to get a better picture of what we are up against. Common sense and knowledge are your best friends.

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Yup, there is a map that shows cases all over the world with total confirmed numbers and recovered numbers. The recovered number the last time I looked at it was something like 72,000.
Interesting to see what states are hit hardest (Washington being probably the worse). And Washington is in our path this summer, well maybe I should say WAS LOL!!

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To get herd immunity you need ~65% to have recovered from the virus. It will continue to cycle through the world until everyone has immunity, or a vaccine is developed. Waiting game is trying to flatten the curve enough so that if you are elderly, like we are (age 74 & 75), there will be space at the hospital to treat you if you are among the 20% who get very ill.

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Barb ... you probably know more about this than I do, but I have heard that “immunity” only lasts 4-5 months (similar to more common strains of the flu). This is why the flu shot is an annual event because immunity is only for a relatively short period of time. They don’t “know” but it is assumed that covid-19 will behave similarly and be seasonal.

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Some sane conversation, way unlike our trip to the grocery store this eve. We are wintering in Florida and there is a very convenient Publix that we have been going to since December.

This store / chain has way many more employees than most supermarkets continuously neatening the shelves. Even when the store has plenty of shoppers it looks like nothing has been taken off a shelf. Trying to avoid the Saturday afternoon crowd we went at 730 this evening. Looked like a NY store before a blizzard ! No water or TP available hardly any bread, What is it with the TP ? No intestinal issues reported w this virus.


As to travel, we have a motorhome so other than walking our dog no need to leave RV at reststop. Plan to wash hands before and after checking in at overnight stops. Actually same keep us healthy habits as usual. We too don't go to crowded places. The supermarket had few shoppers so minimal contact. Glad we didn't go any later, usualy open till 10pm, but starting tonight 8 pm to sanitize store and re stock.


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I was reading on another forum where they were speculating that people were buying up things in the event that they had to "self-quarantine" themselves.  Thus the need for extra toilet paper.

I also read reports that some people were buying up hand sanitizer, extra cleaning wipes and such, and extra toilet paper.  (My oldest son told us that he saw on Farcebook where someone was trying to sell bundles of toilet paper for something like $40 a bundle.)  However, due to some news stories about the hoarders that were trying to profit off of their purchases, Amazon and other online "shopping sources" were shutting down accounts where the people were gouging the prices.

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IMO you are less likely than most others.

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I am currently making my way across Texas, NM and AZ. I've been using Walmart grocery pickup to lessen my human exposure - the nice lady at Point Texas remarked the store is full of tired parents and kids on spring break. I have not noticed a shortage of RV T paper...shhh.
Checked into a KOA at Weatherford last evening. All the staff stayed at least six feet from me, the bill was prepaid, and they just sorta pointed to my camp spot. Headed for a state park today, will see what awaits.

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Like Terry, I assumed the runs on items like TP is that people want to have what they need in case the have to quarantine. But it makes it hard for those of us that just need to resupply.

So what about the ripple effect? I got the last packages of rv TP the Walmart last week. Now I’m wondering if there will be some on the shelf when that’s gone. When I have to resupply it j may not be available. So should I make sure I have extra now? You see how it may go.

I’m not very concerned by the virus, but with the public panic.

 

edit:  does anyone know how to modify the rv toilet fora bidet feature?



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My DW and I were full time for 3.5 years and neither of us was ever sick once. I attribute that to less contact with others. We were talking today about it. If we were still full time, we would take a few extra precautions like sanitizing shoes, extra care around dump stations, and maybe only one go in for groceries. Y’all stay safe and get lots of fresh air and sunshine.

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It feels like a prisoner, who stuck in his own house. For this damn virus.

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PrairieRV wrote:

Like Terry, I assumed the runs on items like TP is that people want to have what they need in case the have to quarantine. But it makes it hard for those of us that just need to resupply.

So what about the ripple effect? I got the last packages of rv TP the Walmart last week. Now I’m wondering if there will be some on the shelf when that’s gone. When I have to resupply it j may not be available. So should I make sure I have extra now? You see how it may go.

I’m not very concerned by the virus, but with the public panic.

 

edit:  does anyone know how to modify the rv toilet fora bidet feature?



-- Edited by PrairieRV on Sunday 15th of March 2020 09:52:59 AM


 Patti,

Do a search here on the forums and type in "bidet."  When I did it, I got a few different threads, at least two of which were related to bidets.

Here is one, and if I can do enough editing, I'll post one or two more links for you.

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EDIT: In looking at the four links that I saw with that search function, it appears that "The Bear" posted information on a bidet addition in each of three of them.  So, the link above is probably going to give you the information you need.  However, I would do a separate search for the bidet product as I've seen it at two different prices.

EDIT #2:  Probably better just search on the internet for such a product.  The links that "The Bear" posted seem to all indicate "Out of Stock" or "Unavailable."

EDIT #3:  I did some more searching and found the product listed above in other places.  I used "RV Toilet bidet" as my search function and found some at build.com.  Look at the link below, and also scroll down below the product that came up to see the similar (or maybe the same) product that "The Bear" posted about.  According to that source, they have some in stock.

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A great video on this topic:

youtu.be/lJseW9gQoG8

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Just as an FYI, for any of you that might be concerned about clicking on an unknown link, I can recommend the video link posted above by karoleks.

That video was just uploaded to YouTube yesterday by a RV couple and has an interview with a doctor in Tacoma, WA that is dealing with the Covid-19 virus.  The doctor just happens to be the sister of the gentleman of the RV couple posting the video.  I would say that while it is pretty long (roughly 19 minutes of the interview), it would be worth watching, and I might even say that it would be a benefit for folks that aren't RV'ers, so don't be afraid to send the link to friends and family.

The interview pretty much supports my own thoughts on the virus and how to avoid it.

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The posts on this thread make for an interesting read, and frankly, they concern me for how some are viewing this virus. 'Confirmed cases' are based on the number of tests performed and its logical to assume that the numbers only represent the tip of the iceberg worldwide when you consider total populations. Only now are we starting to ramp up testing in the U.S. so we won't know the severity here until our 'wave' reaches its crest. Italy should be a stark reminder of the potential of this virus. The wave still hasn't fully impacted Africa and other parts of Asia and there's always the possibility of the virus ebbing in the summer months only to return more potent next fall. We just don't have a good handle on it right now. Most of us on this thread are in the 'high risk' category, so my advice for whatever its worth to you, is to stay cool, be vigilant and be open to the possibility that it may eventually affect you. This is about more than just hoarding TP.

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The “swine flu” in 2009 took estimates of 170,000 to 550,000 lives, but there wasn’t the panic we are now seeing on this out break. I’m not trying to be cavalier about this virus, but while as one poster stated many of us “reside” in that “concerned” group I believe practicing good health habits such washing our hands and just being aware will go a long way in protecting ones self.

Here’s a question I ask myself and many others, do you know any family or friends (not a friend of a friend) that contacted the swine flu or has the coronavirus right now? I think it is an over hyped crisis that has created a panic that is needless. Should we be made aware or the situation, hell yeah. But to the extent they are going about it leads me to believe there are other reasons for the mass hysteria being created.

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“So should I make sure I have extra now? You see how it may go. I’m not very concerned by the virus, but with the public panic”

Buying items such as TP now that you don’t need is a panic reaction.

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Rickl wrote:

The “swine flu” in 2009 took estimates of 170,000 to 550,000 lives, but there wasn’t the panic we are now seeing on this out break. I’m not trying to be cavalier about this virus, but while as one poster stated many of us “reside” in that “concerned” group I believe practicing good health habits such washing our hands and just being aware will go a long way in protecting ones self.

Here’s a question I ask myself and many others, do you know any family or friends (not a friend of a friend) that contacted the swine flu or has the coronavirus right now? I think it is an over hyped crisis that has created a panic that is needless. Should we be made aware or the situation, hell yeah. But to the extent they are going about it leads me to believe there are other reasons for the mass hysteria being created.


 Embracing conspiracy theories can also lead to mass hysteria.

 

If someone is really interested in the current knowledge on COVID19: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html



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I mostly agree with you, RickL. Sure we need to take it seriously, that's just common sense. But sometimes I feel there is a tendency to politicize things or "not let a crisis go to waste" regardless who's in charge. Other times it's simply herd mentality that exaggerates a crisis, making it worse than it is. If you ever see stampeding cattle (look at the stock market for example), they all didn't get together ahead of time and conspire to run in the same direction, but for all practical purposes it doesn't matter, as they will still run you over if you don't get out their way.

I'm wintering over in the GRV now. I went to HEB yesterday and my DW went to Walmart today and there was not a roll of toilet paper on the shelf - hasn't been for several days. We haven't participated in the craziness yet and still have 9 rolls of TP left ( about 3 weeks worth) from our normal stock. We use the Scott 1000 sheet rolls which seem to be the most economical, break down well and last a long time.

Be safe out there, use good judgement and don't take any unnecessary chances - especially you old geezers like me.

And if you really need TP: www.youtube.com/watch

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I agree that if people use common sense everything will be okay, unfortunately there are plenty of people who don't use common sense and put everyone else in danger.

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Haven't seen any tolit tissuse in stores in 2 weeks. Getting low at home.

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Glenn West wrote:

Haven't seen any tolit tissuse in stores in 2 weeks. Getting low at home.


 I have seen some at the Dollar General Stores; but may have to search some there! The stores seem to get there early AM!



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olderthandirt wrote:

The posts on this thread make for an interesting read, and frankly, they concern me for how some are viewing this virus. 'Confirmed cases' are based on the number of tests performed and its logical to assume that the numbers only represent the tip of the iceberg worldwide when you consider total populations. Only now are we starting to ramp up testing in the U.S. so we won't know the severity here until our 'wave' reaches its crest. Italy should be a stark reminder of the potential of this virus. The wave still hasn't fully impacted Africa and other parts of Asia and there's always the possibility of the virus ebbing in the summer months only to return more potent next fall. We just don't have a good handle on it right now. Most of us on this thread are in the 'high risk' category, so my advice for whatever its worth to you, is to stay cool, be vigilant and be open to the possibility that it may eventually affect you. This is about more than just hoarding TP.


 Full disclosure, I am not a Dr. just an RVer.  The malaria drug that Trump has been so "hopeful" about has been deployed to NY and will be administered to the first patients on Tuesday (tomorrow).  There is anecdotal evidence that this can work ... the reason often given is that the very low incidence of disease in Africa is because many of them also fight Malaria ... they are already taking the Malaria drug and the anecdotal evidence suggests that the population of Africa is "protected" by this medication.  We should soon know as the Governor of NY seems to agree with Trump and is administering it to sick NYers.  The results should be know fairly soon.  Here's hoping.



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Someday people may learn to ween themselves from the media, so they are not worked into a frenzy at each new event. The media is almost mass mind control these days.

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Barb ... you probably know more about this than I do, but I have heard that “immunity” only lasts 4-5 months (similar to more common strains of the flu). This is why the flu shot is an annual event because immunity is only for a relatively short period of time. They don’t “know” but it is assumed that covid-19 will behave similarly and be seasonal.


 No one knows at this point whether the vaccine will be annual or not because they haven't got enough information yet about the rate and types of mutations of the virus.  If the mutations are small, then the vaccine will provide immunity and the strain will 'die' out, as it will not get transmitted.  Very important to know that viruses are really not alive, they need hosts.  So if you can get all of the possible 'hosts' immune, then the virus (think Smallpox) has not way to replicate itself and dies out.   If the mutation rate is larger then immunity may not be able to handle all of the resulting strains of the viruses, and thus lead to 'new' infections.   We just don't know.    Another way would be to get everyone to shelter in place for 1 month, that would cover the latency period, and those infected would die/recovery and with no hosts available, the virus can not replicate and disappears from the population.   



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Rickl wrote:

The “swine flu” in 2009 took estimates of 170,000 to 550,000 lives, but there wasn’t the panic we are now seeing on this out break. I’m not trying to be cavalier about this virus, but while as one poster stated many of us “reside” in that “concerned” group I believe practicing good health habits such washing our hands and just being aware will go a long way in protecting ones self.

Here’s a question I ask myself and many others, do you know any family or friends (not a friend of a friend) that contacted the swine flu or has the coronavirus right now? I think it is an over hyped crisis that has created a panic that is needless. Should we be made aware or the situation, hell yeah. But to the extent they are going about it leads me to believe there are other reasons for the mass hysteria being created.


 1.  I got the vaccine for "Swine Flu" (H1N1) in 1975 because our daughter was a premie and with fragile lungs, she couldn't have handled any type of respiratory disease.  

2.    My cousin's husband (age 70) was just released from the hospital last week.  He is a Covid-19 survivor, and she is under 14 day isolation.  He contracted it from a fellow who was at a youth athletic even in Olympia, WA in February.  The guy flew back to Palm Springs and 3 days later was dead.     What makes this especially hard is that my cousin's mother (my aunt) is 96 and she's been taking meals to her house, etc.  They still do that, but limit any physical contact to just few minutes each day, so my poor aunt (who is very visually impaired and hard of hearing) is now very isolated.   Thank goodness for telephones.

3.   No, if you are ill, on a vent, it isn't being overhyped.  It is the speed of spread and the unknown that is so frightening.  Especially for those with underlying health concerns.   Yes, most people will not have a problem.  In fact, for a virus to be successful, it needs to be able to replicate (which leads to inflammation, build up of body fluids in the respiratory system with this virus) and then be passed along to the next host (which is the coughing and sneezing).  And it has to do it in a hurry because the body will develop anti-bodies, which render the viruses unable to duplicate and thus are passed out of the body and thus the strain 'dies' out.  If you have old cilia (the hairs in the lungs that move things up and out) or other underlying disease processed that impeded the body's cleaning mechanisms you get in trouble.  



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 A lot of information being spread around, almost as fast as the virus. Some of it accurate and some of it not. Unless you're an expert in the medical field on epidemiology and viral science better to keep quiet and look like a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. Stick to what you know. Take prudent precautions, act like you already have the virus. Remain calm. You can only control what you do, nobody or anything else. JMHO



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BiggarView wrote:

 A lot of information being spread around, almost as fast as the virus. Some of it accurate and some of it not. Unless you're an expert in the medical field on epidemiology and viral science better to keep quiet and look like a fool than to open your mouth and prove it. Stick to what you know. Take prudent precautions, act like you already have the virus. Remain calm. You can only control what you do, nobody or anything else. JMHO



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"...do you know any family or friends (not a friend of a friend) that contacted the swine flu or has the coronavirus right now?" Two days ago the answer would have been negative. Yesterday, though, we got a call from Jo Ann's brother. His daughter has tested positive for covid-19.

I, too, wonder about all the panic about this particular illness. The number of deaths from it seems to be only a fraction of deaths from the flu. Perhaps the reason is that it is a new disease, and anything new is scary.

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Suchidog wrote: “But sometimes I feel there is a tendency to politicize things or "not let a crisis go to waste" regardless who's in charge”

The Arkansas Democrat reported today: “In early March, before First Assembly of God church in Greers Ferry, Ark., called off all of its activities to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus, just like other churches across the country, dozens of participants gathered there for a children’s program.
Now, 34 people who attended that event have come down with the coronavirus, according to a deacon at this rural evangelical church 75 miles north of Little Rock, who spoke to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.”

That report isn’t political.


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