I certainly believe a person should be able to have a weapon if thats their choice. I also believe its none of the business of the Government who have more than one weapon! In the near future you will be ask questions that you will be forced to answer if certain laws are passed. I also believe every State should recognize each States laws.. I want go to States were C/C permits aren't allowed. The last time I checked there are 38 States that recognize the C/C permit from another State. I will not go to Canada with a weapon, and when we were full timing we couldn't go there. I also don't think the Senate will pass the bill the House did. But I do vote and I will vote against any one in my State that votes agains a C/C permit.. Again its a choice and if you don't want to own a weapon I respect your decision.. And I expect you to also respect my choice.. Happy Trails....

Don't know if anyone has visited a VA Medical facility recently, I did a few months ago and was given a brief oral questionaire concerning my present mental state. The questions went something like this: Had I felt threatened in the recent past? Was I depressed? Did I feel that I may wish to harm myself? Did I feel that I may wish to harm anyone else? Was told after this line of questioning that my responses would be entered into their system and made available to the folks at Homeland Security. Had I answered "YES" to ANY of these questions the Homeland Security people could, and probably would, revoke my Concealed Carry Permit. Fortunately, I did not have a YES answer to any of the questions.

Don't know if this is routine or if I just had a particularily "shifty" appearance on the day of this VA visit.

Marty

Marty your correct we as a people be very careful how you answer any question, on and forms.. We have people who work in the medical field who says what coming in the near future is very scary..... Just a sample of questions, how many people live in you home, how many and what type of weapons do you have or own. And if you don't answer, there even will be more questions? My answer would be "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS" this is when you have to be careful. They could deny you care? We are living in a scary time. Happy Trails...

reading that made me hurt! OWWWWWCH

My answer would be the same as Pierre...............but yes I carry a 12 Ga. street sweeper .......its nice with buck shot I can still hit the broad side of the barn...........and make the 50 people in front of it go home!!!!

it also does not require me to get a permit to have it on board........plus its good for hunting officer.

 

I also keep 2 nice ball bats at the door, one with my sons baseball glove hung on it because we love baseball officer.

 

If all else fails I have Nikki........if I tell her thats a hotdog in your pocket you become fairgame to her!!!!!!.............run quick this husky loves hotdogs!!!!!!!

-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Sunday 27th of January 2013 06:33:28 PM

This is a topic where everyones opinion is very valid. True that the odds that someone will be faced with a situation where a handgun is needed are extremely rare. True that there is a risk associated with packing. But all that said, when you find yourself in a potential life and death situation I suspect most people would rather be capable of self preservation and protecting your loved ones.

My wife and I were traveling along in our MH and pulled over in an quiet little town to clean the bugs off the windshield. Before I could get out a car full of intoxicated young adults pulled up beside us, close enough to the door I wouldn't be able to open it. At that time I didn't have anything to defend us with other than a kitchen knife. Yea I could have drove off but I felt that had risks as well, if they are looking for trouble. Fortunately after about 15 minutes they drove off but listening to them trying to talk the other into taking action needless to say had me worried. Me trying to defend my wife and I with a kitchen knife against 6 young men would have been fruitless.

I now have protection that I will probably never need but for me it's a better option than the other.

To further touch on Mike's comments, let me add that regardless of what kind of weapon (and especially with firearms), be sure and get training in the use of that weapon.  Do NOT settle for training that merely tells one how to use and care for that weapon.  Get training that will teach one how to react in different scenarios of confrontation.

Also, if a firearm is one's choice, be sure and practice.  Not only does that give one practice in aiming and hitting a target, but it also starts "muscle memory" with regards to reloading.  That is especially important if one's weapon is like a shotgun or revolver where the number of rounds available are more limited than, say, a semi-automatic weapon.

Now, having said all that, there have been instances where the mere showing of the weapon is enough to lower the intensity of the situation.  But, even in that respect, merely "showing" the weapon can be classifed as "brandishing" the weapon, thus making one in violation of the laws of some states.  Others have mentioned that the action of placing one's hand in the vicinity of one's firearm (without actually drawing and showing it) has been enough to minimize the intensity of the situation.  (The criminal element generally gets a sense of what that movement means to their immediate "health" situation.)

So, training, practice, and knowing the laws is important with any kind of self defense method.

Terry

Three distinct sounds the human mind only has to here once and not need an explanation....

1) A hammer being pulled back
2) An auto-matic being chambered & safety released
3) A shotgun shuttling a round

If you hear any one of these three sounds

1) you're in a bad spot and way to close
2) Shut up its not a time for a discussion,the Talking part ended
3)look for a way out and pray for super-man syndrome.......if it works you be able to outrun a speeding bullet!!!!!


( dont forget to stop and change your shorts!!)

I'm not Mike, but here is my two cents.  Something in the line of a shotgun would be best with regards to RV'ing, at least from my thinking.  The force behind the shot pellets is less, thus less likely to penetrate as many walls as a 9mm or .40 caliber bullet would if one was in an RV park.

There are also two different models of revolvers out there that are capable of firing both .410 gauge shotgun shells and .45 Long Colt bullets.  Taurus makes one called the Judge and Smith and Wesson makes the Governor.  Again, those would be good "home" weapons, although they would both be limited to capacity of rounds.  But, if necessary, those 5 rounds would help one "retreat" to a larger and heavier backup arsenal.

I mention that possibility because here in Oklahoma City, there was a recent home invasion where 5 intruders broke down a couple's door and entered the residence.  The lady of the house shot one of the intruders and her male companion took the weapon and shot a second.  Fortunately for them, the intruders left the scene, but if the other three had persisted in doing harm, a tactical retreat would have been important as an alternative.  Keep in mind that with regards to home invasions, almost all of them have at least 2 assailants committing the act.

As for personal carry, I would not be likely to use those revolvers.  I would defer to either 9mm, .40 caliber, or .45 caliber semi-automatics, with a preference for the .45.  I prefer the .45 because of its better stopping power and because it is a sub-sonic (slower speeding) round.  Springfield Armory has a .45 called the XDs with a 5+1 capacity with the standard magazine and 7+1 with an extended magazine.  That model is only about 1" thick and small enough to carry in the pocket of a pair of cargo shorts.

Terry

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Wow! Never have I seen more people address an issue. Each to his own and for very many reasons. personally, i can't think of a more terrifying thought then shooting someone. Unless, it is allowing my family to become a victim. l take a 45 on every trip. im a good shot. when asked why a 45 my reply is, they don't make a 46. Education is a must.....

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 But, they do make a .50!!

V

I thought about bringing a hockey stick while RVing but thought better of it. So many Canucks are injured at the hands of their own stick! ;)

-- Edited by Raytronx on Monday 28th of January 2013 10:18:38 PM

I am not worried about the common robber trying to break in. If I hear someone snooping around I am sure me turning on the lights will scare them away. What scares me is if a escaped convict would start snooping around. There is nothing more dangerous than a scared man trapped in a corner and I don't know if carrying a gun would do much good. An escaped convict would kill you, your family and burn the campground down to get away. I am all for gun ownership but not only do you have to know how to use it you have to be willing to use it.

We both have CCW cert, and I carry when traveling and legal.  ( practice  weekly).  Would like a small shotgun, even a 410 will do the job.  We will be keeping a can of wasp spray by door.  It works really well and has a range of up to 15 feet, legal in all places I will travel.  

Wasp spray was recommended by active law enforcement officer in state with very strict gun laws!  It is non lethal, And a cheap alternate.  

 

 

Be safe and enjoy this magnificent world we live in!

 

teaberryeagle wrote:

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 Go to the classes, obtain your "Concealed Carry Permit" AND, DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT.....

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With regards to concealed carry permits and traveling, not every state recognizes the carry permits of all other states.  If one wants to avoid being arrested, especially in this time of anxiety with regards to gun rights, one had better get educated on the gun laws for each state and the reciprocity of each state with respect to all other states' carry permits.

Plus, don't even THINK about carrying a handgun into Canada or Mexico unless you have FULLY researched the laws and regulations for each country.  Just this year, there was an ex-marine arrested and jailed in Mexico for carrying a vintage shotgun (his grandfather's) into Mexico with the intent of going on to Central America somewhere for a hunting trip.  This gentleman has since been released, but he carried the firearm into Mexico BASED ON THE INFORMATION HE RECEIVED FROM A BORDER AGENT IN THE UNITED STATES.  So, if you want to carry weapons into either country, find out the information needed from the respective countries and provinces or states, and don't trust ANY OTHER source.

I've never heard of the conditions in Canadian jails/prisons, but I've heard that the ones in Mexico are horrendous.

Terry

Leave your pistol at home!!!!!...........a 12 ga. alley sweeper loaded with buckshot commands better attention and your chances of missing are slim to none!!

 

not to mention it does'nt require a permit in 49 states....the 50th which is Massachusetts requires a permit for everything including BB guns and all ammo!!!

 

you can always miss the sound of a hammer being pulled back.......but there is no confusion as to the sound of a round being shuttled into the chamber of a pump shotgun...Tends to command attention in a heartbeat without ever speaking a word...........if mine is loaded in the chamber Im done being social other than to offer toilet paper and a slight snicker!!

 

 

 

 

-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Wednesday 15th of May 2013 06:28:44 PM

Well we finally decided to retire from RVing. We been there and done that. We both have permits and we still carry weapons. Our weapons collection has increased.. And our weapons have been in all but 4 States, never outside our borders.. How never had to used any of our weapons but they are there. We have a practice range by our house. And we fire 100 rds each month. With the situation in America today, I would never be without a weapon. I will not fly, flying today there is no way flying is completely safe, thats my opinion. And I have flown all over the world. We have no issue with California I try hard no to go to California, even thought I was in California very, very often from 1980 to 1988. I have no reason to ever go to California, except to visit President Reagan's library. I will leave the Judge home but the S&W will be on board.

Again it's a personal choice, and I still believe the Government has no business in what weapons I have. Nor how many weapons I have, I believe in the Constitution and the 2nd amendment.

If you decide to prepare yourself to protect you or your family, make sure your properly train in the safe and proper use of a deadly weapon. And remember you must be prepared to take a life if you pull your weapon, if not never ever pull your weapon.. And remember the LEO's will be there after the incident. And the weapon the LEO carries isn't to protect you, it is to protect the LEO. I firmly believe that I had rather have 12 people judge me than to have 6 people carry me. Happy Trails...

WestWardHo wrote:

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Please, no politics on this forum. Save it for the other less friendly ones.

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TRAILERKING wrote:

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That's a funny thing how most of the U.S. have the concern and the "Need" to carry a Pea Shooter in their R.V. When Any Canadian travels down in your part of the woods, we don't have that option..........And don't really have an issue without having a "Pea Shooter" on board.

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 Do you "need" to carry fire insurance on your house?  How often has your house burned down?  If it has not burned down, why do you carry fire insurance?  Very few police will ever shoot anyone.  But, they all carry.

I seldom carry.  But, if i needed it, I sure wish I would!  At least we have the choice.  So many don't.

We really like the stun gun that we have called a baton. It has 4 "hot" spots. When we had 2 pitbulls come after our dogs, even though I couldn't get a solid touch on the pits with my "knuckle blaster" (looks like brass knuckles but is black rubber with electrodes embedded in the rubber), it gave enough of a "surprise" each time when got near the neck of one of my dogs to eventually send them packing. My husband did not have his with him. This is how we ended up with the larger batons. You can even canes with a stun in them.

I was annoyed when I took my son to the doctor, first visit for a physical and was asked "Do you have a gun in the house?" I sat there for a few seconds and said, "No?" I know it said "maybe I do and maybe I don't".

You 'guys' have me laughing again.

Just so you know it's not always guns when I was at the Cleveland Clinic about 10 years ago, every doctor visit asked if I felt safe in my own home? Said, "Sure, I live alone!" They were looking for spousal abuse I'm sure but I was glad the question was asked because so much of that goes unreported.

And many years prior to that I was on a volunteer on the phone line for suicide prevention I received a call from a young mother that I've NEVER forgotten. Her young 4 year old son found a loaded gun under the mattress several years earlier and you know the outcome. Her anguish is etched in my mind forever. She was an intelligent and good mom. I can't forget that call!

Sherry

-- Edited by WestWardHo on Tuesday 31st of December 2013 08:31:07 PM

Simple thought to the question.......

you have a fire arm at home in your S&B.........how many times did you need to go get it ....remove it from its holster and defend yourself?

if it was more than once or twice you were living in the wrong part of town.....

if it was once or twice and you brought it in the RV with you.....Try to break the habit of hanging in areas that remind you of home.

if it becomes a reoccurring problem .....a gated community with 24 hr armed security might help......

 

The odds of you ever needing that gun in a motorhome are slim to none....and there are to many non lethal methods out here that dont create a problem everytime you cross a state line that are more effective and less life altering


I'm a firm believer in the right to bear arms....... but what good is a gun in your coach going to do for you when your out. the other problem is the element of surprise.......if they are armed they are one up on you.....if they are not and you make the split second decision to pull the trigger , your life will begin to degrade as the legal system starts to take away a portion of everything you have guilty or innocent!!!!

-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Thursday 2nd of January 2014 10:52:50 AM

Oh man.................................Here we go again. Everyone wants to be a Rambo.

Just thinking of myself and my lady when it comes to that, Rambo takes to much energy and way to much overkill!!  LOL

Full time rv'ng and doing tourist activities takes us into some areas we are unfamiliar. One wrong turn, and you are in a place you don't want to be.

And fact is.. the world isn't what it used to be, just a short time ago.

I and the wife carry 100% of the time. In fact we are going to a tactical training so we can learn to work together , in case of a event..

I have not pulled a weapon yet, though have had yell stop.. and hold up my arm once.. ready to pull. The 2 guys coming at me in a dark parking lot.. stopped dead in their tracks.. turned away without a word. I also feel better knowing the wife can protect herself , when she goes out to bingo in a strange town.
Some will say you can protect yourself and your family without guns. Good luck with that.. Here anyone can pick up a handgun at the local swapmeet .. no back ground check, no license.. Drop the cash and walk out with the gun. And I have seen some shady people buying them too.. Bottom line..Your going to look mighty funny bringing a baseball bat to gun fight..

I have one of those small mossberg 12 ga, ( in my pile ).. But found They are still too big to maneuver in a tight space.. A 45 handgun is my weapon of choice.

Also, folks should get their CCW . Concealed weapon permit. Especially women. The Florida CCW license covers like 40 states.
When I went to the NRA CCW class.. it was 80 percent women.