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Tire Pressure


A quick question.....We just had to replace the 2 outside dually tires on our Ford F350.  When we bought the truck in February, the tires were in nearly brand new condition.  We had to replace 1 tire in April and the tire dealer told us we had the tires under inflated and inflated all of them (including our fifth wheel) to the 80 lbs recommended on the tires.

The tires we just replaced had gone completely bald in the center - meaning they were o ver inflated at 80 lbs.  This dealer (we're in Canada now) deals with trucks and trailers quite a bit and recommended only inflating them to 65 lbs.  We never thought to ask them about the trailer tires. 

Will be here another week so will call the tire dealer here but we're also curious as to what all of you do/recommend.  Don't want to be unsafe - but also don't want to be replacing tires every 6 months.

 



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On the inside of the drivers side door jamb there should be a silver label that will tell you the recommended pressures front and rear. On my 2006 350 dually it is 60# in the rear and 65# for the front. We didn't like the ride when we weren't towing and lowered the fronts to 60#. The tire wear was good and we got 66,000 miles off the first set.

From your experience, the tires were definitely overinflated. The ride must have been horrible also.


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Actually, with the 80# pressure the ride was very cushy!  But it's certainly not worth having to replace tires every 6 months. 

Any thoughts on the trailer tire pressure?  Currently they're at 80#'s as well and after what happened with the truck, we're a bit nervous about it.



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The proper inflation pressure of Light Truck (LT) tires, Specialty Trailer Tires (ST) and RV/Bus Tires (motorhomes) is based on the load they are carrying.  The exact proper pressure per the tire manufacturer load/inflation tables can't be known unless the truck/trailer (or motorhome) is weighed wheel-by-wheel to know what load the tires are carrying.

The tires on each axle are then set to the necessary pressure required to carry the heaviest load on whichever end of the axle is heaviest.

Also, tire manufacturers recommend setting the air pressure with a safety cushion of 250 - 500 pounds per wheel position based on the load/inflation tables.

"Having said all of the above, trailer tires are normally an exception. Because trailers “squirm” creating significant lateral loading in the tires, it is recommended that they be run at sidewall pressure, unless trying to resolve a ride quality problem."  - RV Safety & Education Foundation

So, unless you have trailer tires that are rated significantly higher than the load you are carrying, which yours probably are not (I believe you have E load range tires), run the max sidewall pressure of 80 psi on the trailer tires. 

As for the truck, yes center wear indicates over inflation.  Just be aware that "over inflation" refers to the tires having too much inflation for the load they are carrying.  "Gross over inflation" means the tires are inflated over the maximum recommended pressure on the sidewalls.

The placards/labels on the door jamb are a guideline for Light Truck (LT) tires.  But without weighing the truck with the trailer to determine what the actual loads are, you don't know the proper inflation of the tires.  Under inflation (not enough psi for the load) is worse for the tires than over inflation by the same percentage, so until you can get weighed, don't go too low on the truck tire psi. 

At any rate, your tires should be lasting much longer than six months even if over inflated at the max sidewall pressure.

Linda & I have partnered with the RV Safety & Education Foundation (RVSEF) which is the most respected source in the industry when it comes to RV tires.  The Executive Director, Walter Cannon, has been doing this for years and he has access to RV tire engineers and tons of data.

The above information is why RVSEF promotes and offers wheel-by-wheel RV weighing services and why we have partnered with RVSEF to offer the weighing service as well.

For more information including some Frequently Asked Questions and where to get your RV weighed, you can go to our RV Weighing page

Congrats on your dedication to being safe.  Attitude is a huge part of RVing safely.  smile 



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I think it needs to be stressed that the max sidewall pressure should only be run on tires that are fairly heavily loaded relative to their rating. While I agree with the squirming issue, some tires - like XPS RIBs are designed to account for this. And also, some tires - like for example the Goodyear G114's that I run, and Howard runs, are so far over-rated that running max pressure is not required or even desireable.

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Jack Mayer wrote:

I think it needs to be stressed that the max sidewall pressure should only be run on tires that are fairly heavily loaded relative to their rating. . . . also, some tires - like for example the Goodyear G114's that I run, and Howard runs, are so far over-rated that running max pressure is not required or even desireable.


 

Jack’s brief comments are VERY important.  Like Jack and Howard, I run G114’s which are far over rated for my 5’ers weighed loading.  I run them just a bit above the Goodyear specifications for weight vs. inflation ratings which is about the 250 lbs “extra” that Howard commented on.  The results have been outstanding as to mileage,  trailer “comfort” and satisfaction that I have lots of headroom = saftey.

 

This could become a long dissertation, but upgrading, where possible, the load capability of your tires and then running them per the recommended inflation for the load they are carrying, not just the max sidewall pressure, will give you safety and, in my case, an extreme increase in tire life over the “G” tires that came on the rig.

 

We just completed a trip to the Canadian Northwest Territories and let’s just say my tires made it even though they started with some 35,000 miles on them.  Others, with new tires running at their maximum (and over) capacity didn’t.  This included some 1,200 miles of rock and gravel dirt roads. (You wouldn’t believe how hard these roads are to travel on.)  Upgrade and follow the manufactures recommended pressures.  They do know what they are talking about.

 

(Yea Howard, I’ve got stories. This trip made the Alaska Highway trip look like a Sunday drive in the mountains.)

 

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Yes, I agree with Jack & Bill, and we don't run max tire pressure in our trailer tires because they are rated far above our load requirements.

However, many, many full-timers and extended timers are running loads very near, at, or over their tire ratings (on tires that came with the RV from the manufacturers).  Recommending "max tire" pressure for most trailer tires in general is sound reasoning.  However, there are exceptions, and their point is well taken.  smile     



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Thanks, everyone, for your input. Very informative and, yes, we're still learning. 

Guess what?  I get to go buy 2 MORE tires today for the truck today here in Coffeyville, KS.  (Mike is workamping at Amazon).  We spent 3 weeks in British Columbia with our son.  Yes, we went up and down his mountain on gravel roads with the 5th wheel.  (I stayed in the truck with it in 4-wheel drive going up but I rode in their car coming down.  I'm a chicken.  LOL)

We only took a week to get here from BC (we were exhausted and wouldn't recommend such a fast trip but Mike was scheduled to start work).  Everything went beautifully until we were about 140 miles from here.  BANG, WHAM.  Honestly thought we had hit something.  Checked all the tires, looked underneath both the 5th wheel and the truck; everything looked fine.

But, having a bit of experience at this over the last 6 months, we weren't convinced that all was well.  So Mike started up again really s l o w.  Sure enough, within 10 feet you could tell we had a bad tire.  The driver's side front tire was completely in shreds and falling off the rim.  (Now why can't we tell that the first time we stop?  He checked all the tires closely and even kicked them for soundness.) 

It was over 100° that day with no shade in site and miles from an exit.  We had to wait nearly 2 hours for help to arrive.  Put the sunscreen in the front windshield, kept the truck idling so the air conditioning worked, I got in the back seat behind Mike (sun was coming in on my side) and we got our rotating portable fan out of the RV and plugged it into the truck's inverter.  It was still warm but nowhere near what it was outside. 

These 2 tires I'm getting today means that we will have replaced EVERY single tire on the truck and the 5th wheel within the last 6 months.  Should have taken out stock in rubber, me thinks.

Can you tell I'm sick of tires?  LOL



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This sounds like a manufacturing problem. Our 5th wheel came with General Tires on it from the factory. Several other Alfa owners had cautioned me about the tires indicating they had had problems with tread separation.

I always checked the pressure before and during each trip. However, when the tires were two years old, we lost one tread and then two of the other tires showed signs of tread separation.

Thanks to America's Discount Tire Shop in negotiating with General Tires. General stood behind their product and paid for the damage to our 5th wheel (just a little damage) and credit towards the purchase of Goodyear tires to replace all 4 General tires.

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Had not really considered the truck tire!  hmmm   .  . . I run at 95 lbs in my G614's and an axel wieght of 11,600.  I have the 36' Cameo with the full wall slide and have never weighed by tire bbut will if ever near someplace I can.

the truck is a 2011 F350 4X4 DRW with LT 245/75R17 121/118R with a loaded axel weight of 7,620 and run them at 85lbs when towing, figuring the max psi.  Can't seem to find an inflation chart for the truck tires.

Would appreciate any comments on the recommendated psi for the truck and trailer.

 

Thanks . . . . Scott

 

ps - Howard, good luck on getting out of the way of Irene!

 

 



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Unless Ford has changed procedures, you should have a label on the post that is visible when you open your driver side door. That will show you the recommended pressures for both the front and rear tires.

FWIW, we have G614's on our Cameo and we run them at the max pressure of 110 pounds.

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Fred is correct on the placard and its true for Ford, Chevy or whatever vehicle.  As Walter with the RVSF will attest, the tire pressures on the placard on the driver’s side door or door frame are the tire pressures that should be used for your tow vehicles. (We’re speaking here of pickups / SUV’s, etc., not larger MDT’s and HDT’s which are another conversation that I will leave to Jack and is really not applicable to this thread.) We all get really close to the maximum rated capability of our tow vehicles and this placarded pressure is your best and safest choice.

 

The placard lists the inflation for the vehicle when loaded to its maximum rated axle capability which it most likely is pretty close to when towing.  It will likely be less than the maximum pressure on the side walls of the tires.  Use the placard pressure as it will be correct 99% of the time for towing.  Reducing tire pressure for “a better ride” in a tow vehicle is not a good idea and will lead to wear and blow outs.  Running maximum side wall pressure ratings will also wear the tires faster and accomplishes nothing unless you are overloading the axles – which is a bad thing.

 

The tires on a vehicle are rated above the maximum axle weight ratings - or should be. (That’s a good and safe thing.) Therefore, that is why you actually use less air pressure than the maximum pressure listed on the tires themselves assuming you are not over loading the axles and is why the vehicle manufactures recommended pressure is less than the pressure listed on the side wall of the tire.

 

There maybe a few nuances to all this, but the above will be correct for 99% of the RV’ers who tow with a pickup or SUV and don’t want to get into all the engineering details.

 

Safe travels

 

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Interesting update......Got the 2 new front tires yesterday afternoon. Talked to the owner of the place (Mark, at Coffeyville Tire) before going over to make sure they had what we needed in stock. 2 different servicemen checked it out, then Mark went back to the service area to check it. He came back into the waiting room exclaiming that it was a good thing I came in when I did. The tie rods had loosened up and were almost disconnected! OY! They tightened them back up but we'll have to take it back in soon for a re-check, to get the ball joints replaced and the front end aligned. Glad we're 'sitting' for a few months and not doing any towing. Life is never dull.

Mike's learned to be check tire pressure before we start driving every day. Never thought to check tie rods. We drove about 5 miles on a horrendously rough road in the Bozeman, MT area coming down here. Wonder if that's what started the problem.

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Good information.  The place card is 75psi front and 60psi rear and that gives a cushion of 700lbs front and 1,800lbs rear.  That all makes sense and then don't have to adjust psi's whenever towing, Thanks . . . .

 

For the trailer I have been under the impression that the best performance including wear came by inflating so that there is a 250-500 lb load cushion per tire.  Any wisdom?



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Everything I have ever read on trailer tires recommends inflating them to their maximum pressure.

We keep our Goodyear G614's at 110 pounds and they have been wearing very evenly.

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Luvglass wrote:

Everything I have ever read on trailer tires recommends inflating them to their maximum pressure.

We keep our Goodyear G614's at 110 pounds and they have been wearing very evenly.

Actually for the Goodyear G614’s on your trailer the 110psi would probably be correct.  However, for trailer tires Goodyear has a chart.  Howard, Jack and I follow the chart because our “H” tires are so far overrated for our rigs full inflation, 125psi, would not be a good thing.   The same could be true if you put “G” tires on a smaller weight trailer.

  

Same for truck and car tires. Proper inflation is based on max load, as Howard has indicated.  The placards on the door are for max rated loads on the axles.

 

For the Goodyear tire pressure charts for common tires used on trailers see: http://www.goodyearrvtires.com/pdfs/rv_inflation.pdf  Page two of this shows our "H" tires -  215/17.5  You will note the reduced inflation numbers for lower weights as you will for all tires.

 

As to jswarton’s question, yes, according to my conversations with RVSF, using a 250 lb or so cushion above the weight rating on the heaviest loaded tire is a good idea. It is recommended by Goodyear to use the weight from the heaviest tire to determine air pressure setting.  Don’t run one tire 10 lbs lighter than another.

 

See: http://www.goodyearrvtires.com/tire-inflation-loading.aspx  at the bottom of the page concerning the “heaviest tire” comment above.  That’s why weighting your rig’s tires individually is a good idea once you are loaded for travel.  CAT scales are good for individual axle weights, but don’t tell the whole story tire by tire.

 

We are really getting into details here, but since the question was raised I thought I would provide some backup for my comments from the people who design the tires.

 

Howard can comment as he thinks necessary, but I believe all this is per manufactures recommendations.

 

Safe travels

Bill



-- Edited by Bill and Linda on Saturday 27th of August 2011 11:06:14 AM

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