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I read somewhere, but can't remember on which forum, that water softeners can harm the plumbing system in some manner.  Then someone remarked that they just added Calgon to the water.  I'm trying to find that post again because I would really like a water softener but not if it is going to mess up any of the systems.  Would you just add Calgon to the fresh water tank?  If so, how would you add it and is there a taste or odor to it?

I had asked the RV service people in PA to install a water purifier and to let me know about the cost of a water softener.  When I picked the RV up I found they had only given me an estimate for the water purifier, not actually installed one.  I'm using a Brita filter for the water I drink and use in my coffee maker, but I'd like to treat the entire system if possible.

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A water softener is nothing more than a tank of processed salt that holds impurities (mostly minerals) in suspension, forming a brine at the bottom of the softener tank that has to be flushed periodically.  The water that comes out will have a slightly higher salt content than regular water but the missing minerals is what you want.  I can't imagine this being harmful to either copper or PVC piping in an RV.  In fact, just the opposite as it will eliminate buildup of deposits in your water heater and metal plumbing (mostly faucets and valves).  I plan (once I get promoted past the gonnabee state) to install a water softener in my 5er.  Keep in mind that you put the softener between the water source and the unit's plumbing, including the water heater.  Also, don't dump the brine on the ground as it is caustic and could harm plant and animal life.  But down the drain won't be a problem as public waste water treatment systems can easily dilute the salts.

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 Ann and Steve are right.  We have an On the Go water softener that we have been using for a couple months.  It works great.  It's very simple to use.  We add a box of salt, Mortons or any house brand, once a week.  We're talking 39 cents.  That's pretty cheap. It's easy to set up and does need to be back flushed once a month.  It's very little effort for very good water.  You won't be sorry.  Enjoy,   Dave
 



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I'll look into the On the Go, which I guess I can find at a RV/camping supplies store.  So it uses regular table salt?  The house water softener I had years ago took Morton's pellets.  Table salt would be much easier to find and to handle.  Thanks.

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gypsy97 wrote:

I'll look into the On the Go, which I guess I can find at a RV/camping supplies store.  So it uses regular table salt?  The house water softener I had years ago took Morton's pellets.  Table salt would be much easier to find and to handle.  Thanks.

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Yes, this thing uses regular table salt, with the little metal pour spout.
We purchased ours at K&K RV in Hollywood Fla. We did have to order it out of their catalogue.  Any RV supplier will carry it or order it for you.  We got ours 2 days later.  I believe it's also available on line thru Tweedy.com  or  Camping World.  Dave



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We stayed at an Outdoor Resorts RV park recently. I noticed a sign on the drive into the resort that stated "Do Not Use Salt in Water Softners".

Don't know the reason behind it, but suspect the park has a septic system and the salts would build up to cause environmental damage underground.

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I just purchased the "on the go" system at the Camping World here in Indianapolis. They were on sale until 12/28 for $248 for club members. I felt like this was a good deal since most of the dealers around here wanted $300+ for them.

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gypsy97 wrote:

I read somewhere, but can't remember on which forum, that water softeners can harm the plumbing system in some manner.  Then someone remarked that they just added Calgon to the water.  I'm trying to find that post again because I would really like a water softener but not if it is going to mess up any of the systems.  Would you just add Calgon to the fresh water tank?  If so, how would you add it and is there a taste or odor to it?

I had asked the RV service people in PA to install a water purifier and to let me know about the cost of a water softener.  When I picked the RV up I found they had only given me an estimate for the water purifier, not actually installed one.  I'm using a Brita filter for the water I drink and use in my coffee maker, but I'd like to treat the entire system if possible.

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Hi Gypsy,

Wondering why you think you need a water softener?   We've been in almost 200 campgrouinds in the last 3 years in about 40 states and can count on one hand the number of times we've thought the water was too hard.

We do use a filter for the drinking water, but have never considered getting a water softener for the rig.

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Luvglass wrote:

Hi Gypsy,

Wondering why you think you need a water softener?   We've been in almost 200 campgrouinds in the last 3 years in about 40 states and can count on one hand the number of times we've thought the water was too hard.

We do use a filter for the drinking water, but have never considered getting a water softener for the rig.

Good luck,
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It's pure vanity, Fred.  I just spent 6 wks at my son & d-i-l's house and they have a whole house water softener.  My hair was so shiny when I left there from washing it in the soft water and now it's not so shiny anymore.

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I use the Mark8000 and have found it works good.  The only time it didn't help was when we were in Bullhead City AZ.  The water there was extremely hard and the Mark8000 just couldn't overcome the severity of the hardness.

It hooks in between your white hose and the water faucet.  It must remain upright when in use but can be stored on it's side for travel.  I recommend not letting it sit in direct sunlight when in warm climate.  Just some things they don't mention on their site.

Uses normal table salt to regenrate.  I did have to buy some iron-out after Bullhead City to get the iron out of the resin and restore the water softener.

I bought the Mark8000 because we installed a washer/dryer in the coach and I wanted soft water to help clean the clothes with less soap.  I also read that sof****er will aid in cleaning out the holding tanks.  I think it might help some, but I am still fighting with the tank sensors so I can't decide if it helped or not.

I would be glad to answer any questions if I can help...

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About 2 months ago we installed a R/O system onto our motor home.  We use it for all of our needs.  It did take a little time for the 100 gallon water tank to fill, but once it was full it has been a wonderful addition to have.  We never have to worry about the hardness, taste, or what-ever again and it cost us less than $200 complete. 

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I've been thinking of a R/O system. Do you have a link to the one you installed Joel? Does it fill your fresh water tank and you use the water from there all the time instead of from the park water spigot?

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We want to get a water  softener also, but  could you tell me what the R/O you  speak of is  Dan, Joel & Louise?
Thanks.

We  were thinking of  the one at Camping World.....the On The Go
BUT  just wondered if the R/O is better?

We have a entire  coach water filter plus one seperate on the  kitchen faucet just for drinking ...they came on the coach..... 

and use a Brita for coffee and tea.

Water  softener will be nice as the water down here in the Keys...is very hard. Woukd like  soft hair back....I'm with you Gypsy.  smile.gif

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In my earlier post I listed the water conditioner we use. For the most part it works good. However, we found that the water in Bullhead City was so hard the conditioner couldn't soften it enough to make a difference. I have heard that the reverse osmosis (R/O) systems work better and wanted to try it myself. Most of the systems I have read about treat the water and store it in the fresh water tank and you use your onboard water pump full-time. I am still researching these type systems to see if one would work for us. I am curious to hear back fron Joel as well to see what they are using...

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We do use our R/O system for all of our water needs.  I've installed the system in our utility area in the basement of our motor home.  It has really been good to have.  We've seen the difference in things like water stains in the shower and kitchen sink....GONE.  We purchased our system at RV Connection in Yuma for less than $200.  928/341-9015.

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Thanks  for the information.
Looks like we  may  just go with the  On The Go for now.
Appreciate the feed back

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I've been in contact with Interstate Water Systems out of Yuma.  As I suspected, these R/O systems filter water.  They require a good amount of pressure, and as mentioned, it takes some time to process the water.  The processed water is then stored in your fresh water tank.  You would need to use your onboard water pump for all water used in your coach.

I asked if there is "waste" produced during the R/O process and have not received a response yet.  I have heard that some RV parks do not allow use of R/O systems because of waste produced.  I don't know what the ratio is exactly, but the point is that to fill a 100 gallon freshwater tank will take more than 100 gallons of actual water.  I assume the waste is sent to either the gray holding tank or direct to the sewer connection.

So I will be looking at upgrading my onboard water pump to a better unit that will supply good water pressure without the pulsating...will most likely need a accumulator tank added to the pump.  Then I will think about adding an R/O system.

add:  I have received a response back from Interstate Water Systems.  They told me that for 4 gallons of water processed by the R/O system you will get 1 gallon of filtered water.  That explains why RV Parks do not like them.  I was shocked at the amount of waste involved with these types of systems and will not be adding an R/O system to our coach.

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I forgot to mention that Interstate recommended using a water conditioner, and to put it inline before any R/O type system. They said it would help prolong the life of the expensive membranes in the R/O filter system.

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thanks very much for the info on the R/O system.  I agree - it is a waste of water to use this system.

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Adding water softener would not harm the pure water or the water tank.You can add it to your tank but have to maintain some precautions.
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After following this thread with more than a passing interest, I feel for most the varying degrees of softness of water is very hard to perceive.  Over the years, I can recall twice that it was noticeable that something was different.

Most likely, the post that says it best came from Fred Wishnie (Luvglass) "that in over 200 CGs, in about 40 states" they have not discerned the water noticeably hard less than five times. 

OK, admittedly, Fred and I are guys.  However, Ethel, who is pretty darn persnickity about her locks, has not commented once in our travels about hard water.  Would be curious from Jo's corner as to her agreement with Fred's post.

Now when it comes to odors of any sort, Ethel will voice an opinion immediately, if not befoe.  This is always before my receptors even talk to each other, much less to my brain.  But, I have always said she smells really good.

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I don't know if you would realize how hard the water is unless you had recently used soft water for a while.  It is wonderful for washing dishes & glassware, the laundry, and bathing, especially for washing hair.  Everything looks and feels cleaner, there are no water spots left in the shower or sink, and clothes are so soft you don't need fabric softener.  I had a water softener for about 12 yrs back in the 70's and it was really hard to say goodbye to it when I moved.  Now that I used one for 6 wks when I stayed with my son in NY, I remembered how great it is, and I want oneblankstare

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Larry recently saw this ad in Good Sams Highways Magazine....
from WaterKing USA
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It states that WaterKing designed this particular unit  exclusively for MH and RV's.
Also Newell has opted to have them installed into their coaches as and option.
NO SALT....
An in line water softener that  does not use salt.
Can either be portable ouside or bulit into your water line in your water compartment.
Sounds  good.
Thought we would share  this info 
Give them a  call...
Larry did and they are sending  him a catalog and  some information and they were very  happy to talk with him.
Just another one to  look into before you decide.
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I don't think the WaterKing will soften water. It uses radio waves. Found this on the internet about that technology.  Make sure you know what your buying and what you can expect.

Water softeners should not be confused with water conditioners. These devices are attached to existing pipework and release either magnetic, electromagnetic or radio wave pulses into the water. Unlike Water Softeners, they do not remove calcium and magnesium (hardness) from the water. Therefore there is no reduction in soaps and powders, removal of scum etc, and the lovely feel silky feel of soft water is not experienced.

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Their ad in the Good Sam Highway magazine.....states on the bottom ...
WaterKing Water Softener.
Larry did phone the company and the guy explained how it  worked.
He is sending us all the information  and a brochure on it per Larry's request...as he would not order it until he reads about it and learns all about it.
Lot's of parks  will not  let you use  the salt....it is corrosive also.
So we will wait to  read the brochure and get more info on the unit.
Thanks  for the information. Appreciate it, and it will help  us to be even more cautious.
Give the  company a call for yourself and talk with them.
....and or get a  brochure sent .... all this stuff is  worth looking  into for sure.
Keep us  posted please on any more  news on softeners.
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I would be interested to hear what you guys find out as well.

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Hi Dan
You asked us to let you know what we found out...
Here is  some info
Also  spoke with someone who has one and loves it
Not trying to sell them....just  letting you know about the product as you
requested.
Hope this helps ...whatever you decide.

Water-King USA introduces protection for your Motorhome and Recreational Vehicle.
 

The Benefits of Water-King

  • Removes existing lime scale and de-scales your plumbing
  • Removes existing lime scale from baths, sinks and toilets
  • Prevents fresh deposits of lime scale from forming
  • Stops scaling of shower heads, faucets, and kettles
  • Provides softer water so soaps, shampoos and detergents lather better - scum is reduced
  • NO separate hard water tap required, Healthy minerals retained
  • REDUCES energy bills and is environmentally friendly
  • Low running costs - less than $15 per year
  • Easy Installation, NO MAINTENANCE Required
  • Softer Water is Better for Skin and Hair, and Eczema and Psoriasis can be improved
  • Saves Energy and Cuts Bills - because just 1/16 inch of lime scale reduces heating efficiency by 15%.
  • Safe Drinking Water (Even Suitable for Babies Bottles)
  • Saves Water - No regeneration required to back flush system as in a salt or reverse osmosis system.


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Thanks Larry. Is that quote from Water King? Do they have any data to backup their claims? I guess my concern is that it sounds to good to be true. I looked all over their site and could not find and specs.

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I'm with you Norcal....

I remember these same RF/magnetic devices for your auto fuel line a few (well, a bunch) years back. Claimed to turn your car into the USS Enterprise for pennies a year. I have yet to see the physics or even any pseudo-science to support these claims, for water or gas.... Probably why these remarkable products always seem to remain in the background.

Then again, if it make YOU feel good, then by all means do it! That's the power of marketing.

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Hey...
Just waiting for the packet to come to read further on this....
also  wish  someone  who has one on line would let us know if they like it
One coach that was in here  had it and the guy  said  he  really found it worked great.  His  was on the outside  hose  line.
That is  why  I originallycame on here.....
To  find out if anyone had one.....or knew of one and how it worked.
And  what would  make ME feel good Dude  is to find out all the facts and talk  with folks  who know all about them before I decide on buying it  or anything  else for that  matter.
Norcal..you are welcome....I sent what you requested....and was  more than happy to do so.
Let's hope we find answers...info... and a water softener that  works and we all benefit from all the  info we all receive.
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Dan
Got the mail today. It is  just like the site.
However I am still glad I  looked into it.
Do not  believe in closing your mind  to anything until you  really  find out  as many facts as you can.
The  guy I talked with  here  really believed it worked for him, and maybe it  did.
Whatever !
We also have friends  who wear and believe  their copper bracelets  cure their arthritis.
It's whatever works  for YOU as Dude pointed out I guess.
Keep us posted  if you find  out anything new.
Right now I will flush the system out after being here in Florida Keys.
Happy and safe  travels....
Thanks again for your input guys.
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Hey Dan & Dude
Thanks again for  the input and just as a courtesy I wanted to let you know  I ordered the  CW softener.
Just had a friend who is now in CA tell me he got one also and really is working good for them.
Camping World will be sending it to me, and I will install it before leaving  the Keys.
Hope all works out for you also Dan.
Again...thanks  guys and everyone on this thread for the info and  brain teasing...but I needed to read it for myself  also before deciding. It's who I am...I never  jump.  MY DW says I am a wee bit stubborn that way....but I do always  listen to  whoever is kind enough to point out different views. That makes us all  think, and that's a good thing. Believe me...This  forum has been a God send to us and  everyone else who needs  their questions answered.
So that's my water softener story...and I'm sticking to it !!!!biggrin


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After such careful consideration I would love to hear your thoughts after a few weeks of use Duo! Good work!

Now, about those copper bracelets? smile.gif

I really appreciate your thought process... And yes, this forum is a real 2-way street for all of us!!!!!!


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After watching the topic, and even throwing my 2 cents in a while back, I've carefully digested all the pros and cons.  I, personally have decided that whether you're in the east, west, north, or south,  we've all seen very soft water and very hard water.   We've discovered that in the majority of places we've been,  the majority of us don't need a water softener.   We've learned about all types of units, good for our systems, and bad for our systems.  We've learned to use salt, or not to use salt.  
We've even found out that some people use them for medical issues, vanity issues and some folks just want to have all the trinkets in order to spend an extra hour or two to set up camp for all the neighbors to enjoy.   Some people use them, just cause they want to and I think that's a darn good reason.

Dave

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Resurrecting an ancient topic...

As long as I do not eat/drink/cook/make coffee with the water from my fresh water tank - is there any reason why I should not add Calgon to my fresh water tank. RV repairman told me that my lines were getting lime/calcium(?) buildup and this would help clean out the lines.

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