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Just to dove tail on this response - I went in to the local DMV and inquired about needing a CDL. The answer was yes as my rig was over the 26,001 threshold.  I expressed surprise saying I’d bet a good chunk of people towing RV’s in OK were probably in violation. He apologized and said all he does is state the laws/rules. So I was about to leave when I again mentioned that towing my home and needing a CDL, along with the required medical card is going to be hard as I had open heart surgery and as a result have to have a nuclear stress test yearly to be able to hold a medical card. Then the agent said “is your trailer licensed as a RV?” to which I said yes! He then said I’m sorry I’m so used to explaining trailers that I missed the recreational vehicle part. NO, YOU DO NOT NEED A CDL. You regular license allows you to drive or tow any recreational vehicle. 

Lesson learned - make sure you clarify numerous times that you are dealing with a recreational vehicle only. 



-- Edited by Rickl on Friday 27th of April 2018 01:39:56 PM

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KRUEBBE22 wrote:

When pricing out a RAM 3500, the "Maximum Tow Package" only offers the following assuming you've chosen the Aisin transmission to begin with:

Max Tow Package

$3,500
INCLUDES:

4.10 Axle Ratio
5th Wheel / Gooseneck Towing Prep Group
Auto Level Rear Air Suspension
Low Beam Daytime Running Headlamps
30K Direct Mnt 5th-Wheel Hitch by Mopar®
Trailer Brake Control
Center High-Mount Stop Lamp w/Cargo View Camera

Nothing about extra transmission cooling other than what already comes with the Aisin.


 Then I rephrase - get the Aisin -69 transmission and the Max Tow package.  When I order these before the Max Tow package and the Aisin -69 commercial transmission in the 3500HD were assumed to go together and the truck showed up so equipped.  

That said in the package above, the "Mopar Direct Mount 5th-Wheel Hitch"  which, unless that has changed, is a Curt Q25 (yes 25) 25K hitch.  I personally like that hitch as long as the trailer has an air-ride pin box on it.  Trailer pin weight determines all this.



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BiggarView wrote:

Bill, if I could just ask... What extra cooling is in the RAM "max tow package" beyond the fins on the differential with the 4.10 gears? I get that the differential gears are turning faster and thus generating heat to be dissipated. Does the max tow bring a trans cooler or heavier duty radiator to the mix? Inquiring minds want to know. We were considering the 3.73 but now maybe we should have the 4.10 for our future ~29000 CGVW/18500 trailer GVW set-up? It is more than likely the TV will be used for that purpose 80% of the time or more. As you know we are still considering the Chev Duramax but it only comes with 3.73 gears but we'd have more headroom for a hauler bed WRT TV payload capacity vs the RAM 3500 comparably equipped. 

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-- Edited by BiggarView on Friday 27th of April 2018 08:32:46 AM


 According to the literature there is additional transmission cooling on the commercial -69 transmission.  Considering the fact of how cool it runs I'd believe that.  Heat is the enemy of any transmission.  To me, this is just a no-brainer to get the more capable transmission.  Why not?

As to the gear ratio - If I were purchasing the Ram 3500HD I'd get the 4.1 with the -69 commercial transmission and the Max Tow package.  Period. Done deal.  If I were getting the Chevy I'd be OK with the 3.73 but I've driven two Duramax 3.73's for around 190,000 miles and they pull great and don't overheat, etc.  Its an Allison transmission already.  :)  But you will stay in 5th gear (1st overdrive) more.  Same MPG regardless when towing but you won't make it to 6th till you get to ~66 MPH.  (Ask me how I know this for like 90,000+ miles.)  The 4.1 will give you a bit more torque pull when starting from a dead stop, especially going uphill, like from a ramp.  Will the Chevy do it? Yep, just fine, no question. 190,000 miles of experience to say that. But if I were going with the Ram I'd get the 4.1 for towing.  Just a smoother experience IMO.  (If Chevy offered a 4.1 in the Diesel I'd get it.  They do, but only in the gas engine.) 

Trust that helps a little.



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Thanks, Bill. At the moment the RAM is edging out, but a test drive in both will be the deciding factor. Either way... Chev/GMC or RAM they will be properly equipped to tow per your advice both on the forum and privately. Decison time for us is getting close.



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I tow a 10000+ fifth wheel with a SRW 2012 RAM 3500 long bed and i've had 0 problems towing.....best truck i've ever had!!!.....Happy travels..



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GM does NOT have a DRW truck that can tow my RV within their specs. My combo is too heavy for it!

The Curt/RAM hitch is Made In China and IMHO a PITA to unhitch at times. An in law has one on his RAM and wishes he had my B&W RVK 3600.

There is a new TFL Trucks video showing the Ford and RAM towing 30K up and down the Davis Dam highway. It shows the RAM puts down a much higher percentage of advertised HP since they were virtually tied with RAM beating the Ford by .02 seconds. Oh, you say "where is the GM" well it can't pull over 23K so it was not included.

RAM with the factory Rear Ride, AISIN/Cummins combo is a real towing machine. Another bonus it has the legendary Bosch CP3 fuel pump. Ford has the CP4, just do a search. GM dumped the CP4 since they had so many warranty claims and went with the Denso pump.

Of the above does not sway you simply look at what truck is towing these big car hauler trailers and towing RV's.

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BiggarView wrote:

Thanks, Bill. At the moment the RAM is edging out, but a test drive in both will be the deciding factor. Either way... Chev/GMC or RAM they will be properly equipped to tow per your advice both on the forum and privately. Decison time for us is getting close.


 Brian:  Both are fine trucks and I look forward to your selection and the big smile on your face either way.  I do think, FWIW and not because I own a "Ram", it is the better choice - now - as a tow vehicle.  Back when, prior to 2013, not so much for many, many reasons.  The drive train of the GMC product is second to none.  But not so much that the Ram isn't right there beside it - now - assuming the Ram is properly equipped.  But the Ram 3500HD is physically a larger truck with more overall capacity net as we have discussed when used as a tow vehicle.  And that's what the choice is all about: towing.  The HP and torque differences are not significant to matter for your application, IMO.  Mostly bragging rights.

We been around this barn about 20 times. Now its time to choose and place the order. Have fun!

Let us know.  :)

Bill



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I am a long time GM Fan, (had several Duramax Trucks) all were very reliable and got the job done.
When I was truck shopping last year I started looking at GM's current offerings along with looking at RAM's as a possible replacement but have never owned a Chrysler / RAM product.
Bill's knowledge and insight on the RAM was great and enlightened me on some points I did not know.
After finding the right dealer we ordered our RAM 3500 DRW last fall and 8 weeks later got the truck we wanted.
We ordered the Laramie Trim Package with the 4.10 Rear Axle Ratio / Aisin Transmission along with the Factory Rear Air Assist Suspension.
What a great tow package and truck it has been so far but the Cummins / Aisin has taken some getting used to as it is very different from our previous Duramax / Allison trucks.
We are headed back to Florida from Virginia as I write this (currently in Savannah GA) and have been very satisfied with our choice of the RAM.



-- Edited by Rob_Fla on Monday 30th of April 2018 03:57:56 AM

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Rob_Fla wrote:

I am a long time GM Fan, (had several Duramax Trucks) all were very reliable and got the job done.
When I was truck shopping last year I started looking at GM's current offerings along with looking at RAM's as a possible replacement but have never owned a Chrysler / RAM product.
Bill's knowledge and insight on the RAM was great and enlightened me on some points I did not know.
After finding the right dealer we ordered our RAM 3500 DRW last fall and 8 weeks later got the truck we wanted.
We ordered the Laramie Trim Package with the 4.10 Rear Axle Ratio / Aisin Transmission along with the Factory Rear Air Assist Suspension.
What a great tow package and truck it has been so far but the Cummins / Aisin has taken some getting used to as it is very different from our previous Duramax / Allison trucks.
We are headed back to Florida from Virginia as I write this (currently in Savannah GA) and have been very satisfied with our choice of the RAM.



-- Edited by Rob_Fla on Monday 30th of April 2018 03:57:56 AM


 Brian:  If I may to amplify on Rob's important comments highlighted above.  The Duramax is an 8 cylinder V-8.  The Cummins is a 6 cylinder in-line 6.  Essentially the same displacement - Cummins is actually .1 liter larger.  Because of this the Cummins operates at somewhat lower RPMs, when braking for one.  Those big "tractor size" pistons can not move as fast as the smaller V-8 pistons.  The Duramax has an extremely wide / high RPM limit when used for engine braking.  The red line is like 4,800 when braking.  I've had mine Duramax to 4,600.  All good, engine just gets really loud.  The big piston Cummins at 4,800 would come apart - literally - somewhat like Howard had happen to his truck when it over reved coming down hill in the wrong gear.  (Aisin computer won't let that happen.  "Ask me how I know this.")

Point is, they both get the job done, but due to design they are different. The two transmissions are pretty similar, IMO. But because of the different design between the V-8 and the IL-6 (In-Line-6) there is a narrower engine braking band with the Cummins.  I've yet to see that to be an issue good or bad.  Just different.  It will stop the rig without issue using engine braking.  Just does it differently. 

Just info FWIW

Go drive 'em both.  Just remember, were looking for a tow vehicle here, not a race car.  It's all about torque to the rear wheels, not HP for the quarter mile sprint. :)

Having fun yet? :)

Bill

 



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Bill, thanks for the "intro" into V8 vs I6 behavior.  I'll try to pay attention to it when we take the test drives though without a trailer in tow it will be harder to gauge that particular aspect. I have no interest in drag racing my TV. All these Ike Gaunltet challenges on YT crack me up when they talk about time to ascend... so what if it takes a few seconds longer, it is not not even my on my radar.  I'm absolutely cetain either the RAM or the GMC/Chev for our application is more than capable so it all boils down to subjective feel, and price. If I was towing a monster NH I wouldn't even be considering the GM 3500 offerings so it's all good. I get that there different capabilities and fanboys for each. Too each their own, if it works for them...

Are we having fun yet?.... So far the research and discovery part is a "trip".  LOL

To the OP, sorry if I took this off point a wee bit.



-- Edited by BiggarView on Monday 30th of April 2018 09:19:19 PM

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Driven both. Now have my Freightliner. 1500 is high rpms in my Detroit. But I have a great jake break. Don't know if Cummins allows this option or not. If so a true Jake will make a ton of difference. those little turbo brakes are marginally at best.

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Well, I did it! Purchased a new 2017 RAM Big Horn 3500 Dually with the Aisin 4.10 tranny. Real exited..............found one heck of a deal. Listed for $69,690.00........dealer's last 2017 and wanted to get it out the door. Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491, about $12,000 less than I paid for my 2017 RAM SRW. That will really help with the loss I'm going to take when I sell the SRW. Just wanted to thank everyone for the sincere upfront advice. I'm sure I will feel a big difference with the new dually, both physically & mentally.

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Well done! I’m not sure, but confident, you are going to look back and believe you made a great decision. Safe travels!



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Rickl wrote:

Well done! I’m not sure, but confident, you are going to look back and believe you made a great decision. Safe travels!


 Thanks Rickl!!



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Well, I did it! Purchased a new 2017 RAM Big Horn 3500 Dually with the Aisin 4.10 tranny. Real exited..............found one heck of a deal. Listed for $69,690.00........dealer's last 2017 and wanted to get it out the door. Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491, about $12,000 less than I paid for my 2017 RAM SRW. That will really help with the loss I'm going to take when I sell the SRW. Just wanted to thank everyone for the sincere upfront advice. I'm sure I will feel a big difference with the new dually, both physically & mentally.


 Good for you and trust you will be well pleased. That is an outstanding price.

Indeed, having the right equipment by specification and capability offers a much better towing experience to say the least.  

Enjoy the new ride, confidence and towing safety. 

 



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KRUEBBE22 wrote:

Well, I did it! Purchased a new 2017 RAM Big Horn 3500 Dually with the Aisin 4.10 tranny. Real exited..............found one heck of a deal. Listed for $69,690.00........dealer's last 2017 and wanted to get it out the door. Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491, about $12,000 less than I paid for my 2017 RAM SRW. That will really help with the loss I'm going to take when I sell the SRW. Just wanted to thank everyone for the sincere upfront advice. I'm sure I will feel a big difference with the new dually, both physically & mentally.


 Congrats and of course you know we  need pix of your new toy.... LOL 



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I agree this thread isn't worth a darn without pictures.

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"Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491"

Now that's a smoking deal!!!

But until we see pics it's just another story!

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Pics & window sticker coming soon!

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KRUEBBE22 wrote:

Pics & window sticker coming soon!


 How do you include pictures in your post.............could not find anything on the site with instructions.



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You are probably used to using the quick response on the bottom of the page. Hit the reply button, look at the picture icon (it’s a little green thing 3rd icon to the left of the you tube icon). 



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I see that, and it requires an "Image URL".............so your pics have to be on a website as opposed to uploading a jpeg, etc.??



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Al,

There are a number of photo sharing websites that are free and allow one to post a picture into a forum comment.  I used to use Photobucket for years, but they came down and decided that they wanted $400 a year just to post photos to forums.  So, I left them for Smugmug, although Smugmug isn't free.  However, Smugmug has excellent looks for one's photos for a lot less money than Photobucket.

Some of the others may have experience with such sites as Shutterfly, Flickr, or whatever.  Once your photos are uploaded to those sites, you can then "copy and paste" the linked URL into the body of the comment in the forums.  Those others can probably tell you more about those other sites than what I can.

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RV.net has a free posting page I use all the time.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

"Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491"

Now that's a smoking deal!!!

But until we see pics it's just another story!


 Glad yall are happy with that price. I not paying that for a truck.



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Hello, we are fulltime and currently tow our 2013 heartland landmark, key Largo with a 2017 Ford f350 srw. Tows really nice, can get a little shaky in the wind but other than that were pleased.

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Glenn West wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:

"Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491"

Now that's a smoking deal!!!

But until we see pics it's just another story!


 Glad yall are happy with that price. I not paying that for a truck.


 Here ya go!My New RAM



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KRUEBBE22 wrote:
Glenn West wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:

"Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491"

Now that's a smoking deal!!!

But until we see pics it's just another story!


 Glad yall are happy with that price. I not paying that for a truck.


 Here ya go!My New RAM


 Guessing, there's a pix in that comment somewhere... biggrin



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BiggarView wrote:
KRUEBBE22 wrote:
Glenn West wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:

"Discounted is by $18,199 bringing it down to $51,491"

Now that's a smoking deal!!!

But until we see pics it's just another story!


 Glad yall are happy with that price. I not paying that for a truck.


 Here ya go!My New RAM


 Guessing, there's a pix in that comment somewhere... biggrin


 BiggarView, if you right click on the image, and select "open image in a new tab" it will show the pics..............works for me!



-- Edited by KRUEBBE22 on Saturday 19th of May 2018 07:43:57 PM

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Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me either.

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1ne19jkk0Rickl wrote:

Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me e

Guess I do not know how to post a URL to my pics!!  Will try again!!

 



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1ne19jkk0Rickl wrote:

Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me e

Guess I do not know how to post a URL to my pics!!  Will try again!!

 


 Okay guys can I get some specific instructions on how to post pics.......been on many forums and have had no problems posting pics. Here is the URL:  https://postimg.cc/gallery/1ne19jkk0/

 



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Now you got it!  Nice truck. A bit hard to read the window sticker but it looks very close to a RAM we would order.  2 thumbs up!! 

 



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Now you got it!  Nice truck. A bit hard to read the window sticker but it looks very close to a RAM we would order.  2 thumbs up!! 

 


 Try this one for the window sticker..............I paid $51,190 for it:  https://s19.postimg.cc/7vn6bcqoz/Window_Sticker.jpg

 



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i don't se any problem with SWR FOR TOWING...i have towed with a SWR RAM 3500 FOR YEARS,NO SWAY,NO PROBLEMS 11,000lbs.....pin weight mighnt be a problem ...depends what it is...don't make a decision with the advice you get in fourms...do your homework.....there's lot's of info out there...start with the sticker inside your truck door.....



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You might want to check out this link. I believe it is the official State of Washington web site, but it might be an impostor.

www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/cdlexempt.html

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My SD license allows me to DoubleTow in CA.

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