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RE: Ford F350 vs. F450 Comparison


Dave and Denise wrote:

Plan to order the new 2016 F-450 this week. Glad I came across this thread first. My line of reasoning started with, hey a F-450 was good enough for Howard and he researches the heck out of things (yes, I know things have changed since then). We weren't sure what trailer we might end up with, so I wanted to be prepared for most any 5'er (we decided on the Arctic Fox 32-5M). Every time one of those pesky salesman asks what will you be towing this thing with I simply say a F-450 and that part of the conversation ends. We all have our strong suits and I am trying hard to develop one of mine as being dependent on others research and knowledge!



-- Edited by Dave and Denise on Tuesday 26th of January 2016 05:51:27 PM


good deal  that Arctic fox rv is a very well built RV.   u will be happy  and the 450 likewise 



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Dave and Denise wrote:

Plan to order the new 2016 F-450 this week. Glad I came across this thread first. My line of reasoning started with, hey a F-450 was good enough for Howard and he researches the heck out of things (yes, I know things have changed since then). We weren't sure what trailer we might end up with, so I wanted to be prepared for most any 5'er (we decided on the Arctic Fox 32-5M). Every time one of those pesky salesman asks what will you be towing this thing with I simply say a F-450 and that part of the conversation ends. We all have our strong suits and I am trying hard to develop one of mine as being dependent on others research and knowledge!



-- Edited by Dave and Denise on Tuesday 26th of January 2016 05:51:27 PM


Dave - You do make reference that things have changed.  I do want to mention that Howard & Linda's truck is a Class 4 Cab & Chassis truck and the 2016 F450 Pickup is a Class 3 truck. Their truck is a 2005 F450 with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs, & Rear GAWR of 12,000 lbs vs. the 2016 F450 having a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. & GAWR of 9,100 lbs.

Andy



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ahull wrote:
Dave and Denise wrote:

Plan to order the new 2016 F-450 this week. Glad I came across this thread first. My line of reasoning started with, hey a F-450 was good enough for Howard and he researches the heck out of things (yes, I know things have changed since then). We weren't sure what trailer we might end up with, so I wanted to be prepared for most any 5'er (we decided on the Arctic Fox 32-5M). Every time one of those pesky salesman asks what will you be towing this thing with I simply say a F-450 and that part of the conversation ends. We all have our strong suits and I am trying hard to develop one of mine as being dependent on others research and knowledge!



-- Edited by Dave and Denise on Tuesday 26th of January 2016 05:51:27 PM


Dave - You do make reference that things have changed.  I do want to mention that Howard & Linda's truck is a Class 4 Cab & Chassis truck and the 2016 F450 Pickup is a Class 3 truck. Their truck is a 2005 F450 with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs, & Rear GAWR of 12,000 lbs vs. the 2016 F450 having a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. & GAWR of 9,100 lbs.

Andy


 Understand Andy, but GVWR and GAWR are not the only reasons I would decide to buy a specific truck.  Also, I know I haven't posted much here, so I will clarify that I tend to be a little tongue and cheek in nature.  :)



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Well I am back for now. It was suggested an HDT and I was surprised at the negative comments. Granted today if I was in the market for a new LDT hauler it would be Ram. I despise a dually as a daily commute vehicle. It is difficult to park in a congested parking lot, which I frequent. We now have a 2006 Freightliner Century to tow our Teton. We have roughly 30k in it singled with Smart bed. A Smart Car is my commute to work and back now. We have my DW's new Durango for long trips. Much less monies than a new dually and much better ride and no worry of overload problems. Know one is not for everyone but makes perfect since to us.

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Just information.

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Bill brings up a great point on the rear axle rating of the F450 at 9,100 lbs vs the F350 at 9,650 lbs and this really had me stumped for a long time. This is my answer.....The F450 is rated to the SAE J2807 standard. My understanding of the Ford internal testing (and other manufactures that don't follow SAE J2807) is that they set the tow ratings based on the most stripped down version of the truck (i.e. no options) and 150 lbs. person. For the J2807 standard a better equipped vehicle is used along with in Fords case 400 more lbs. The GCVW for the F450 went up from 40,000 lbs. to 40,400 lbs. but the GVW rating stays at 14,000 lbs. so the extra weight came off the rear axle rating. There is something with a 14,000 lbs rating that must be a hard ceiling.
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Andy


Found this on a Ford Media release that describes some of the changes with the towing capacity reaffirming what I thought/said above.  It is not that the axle rating was lowered but the truck got heavier applying the J2807 ... result is adding an extra 400 lbs in base curb weight & people and the lowering of payload 150 lbs. from 5,450 lbs. to 5,300 lbs .... 9,650 - 550 = 9,100 lbs....this would indicate the DRW F350's J2807 rear axle rating would also be 9,100 lbs.

Full link here https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2014/09/02/ultimate-towing-machine-2015-ford-f-450-rated-best-in-class.pdf

 

Ford previously determined F-450 pickup towing capacity using

rigorous internal testing standards exclusively. Now it has added

SAE J2807 test procedures, reaffirming the F-450 pickup rating.

F-450 passed the additional tests with 31,200 pounds in tow, just

as it passed Ford internal tests.

SAE J2807 requires the vehicle to be loaded with about 400

pounds more weight than Ford’s internal test (two passengers

instead of one, and base curb weight instead of minimum curb

weight), but the weight addition has no effect on F-450 towing

capacity. Using either standard, F-450 has best-in-class towing

capacity of 31,200 pounds.

As a result of the J2807 test results, Ford is also increasing the

F-450 pickup’s already best-in-class gross combined weight rating

from 40,000 pounds to 40,400 pounds – topping the nearest

competitor by 2,500 pounds

Payload rating changes

Ford is migrating to the J2807 standard when it introduces allnew

vehicles and will use base curb weight, rather than minimum

curb weight, to determine payload ratings for all of its pickup

trucks. The change will align Ford’s payload rating practices with

other manufacturers to make it easier for customers to compare

vehicles.

Using base curb weight, maximum payload for the 2015 F-450

pickup goes from 5,450 pounds to 5,300 pounds.



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Looks like RAM has topped Ford now by 10 pounds.

2016 RAM 3500

Gooseneck/fifth wheel rating 31,210 lbs.



"There is something with a 14,000 lbs rating that must be a hard ceiling"

As I have mentioned the 14K number is just that! It is to keep the trucks in the Class 3 so licensing and insurance will be less. 14,001# and you are into Commercial classification.

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ahull wrote:

ticat900 ...... best in class is also interesting. What class is the F450 in? If Ford wants to compete with Ram 3500 then it is not best in class. Ford 440 HP 865 lbs.ft Ram 400 HP 900 lbs.ft. Gooseneck towing Ford F450 31,200 Ram 3500 31,210.

Andy


Cummins12V98 

The 31,210 is actually old news.....I pointed this out back in December 2015.....although I was wrong with the RAM horsepower.

Andy



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get the 450....



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Have you looked at a RAM with a CUMMINS....BEST DIESEL ON THE MARKET.......I love mine....and go as big as you can afford....



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FYI

This is an old thread, so some of the information in it could be out of date.

Terry



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