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Hi All,

We are just in the process of researching fifth wheels for our coming fulltiming adventure and have been looking at a Dynamax Trilogy. This unit seems to meet many of our requirements but is new to the market. Any info or advice about these or other units would be appreciated..

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Tim,

I believe that Dynamax has been in the 5th wheel business for a number of years. I have seen them at the rv shows and they surely look like a quality product. If they are as good as their motorhomes, they'll be great.



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We looked at the Trilogy when we were shopping and it was the front runner for sometime. It comes pretty well loaded with what are options on many other units. I think the overall quality is good, as Fatman wrote Dynamax build excellent MH's. For us it came down to that nasty thing called a buget. It was at the upper limit of what we wanted to spend for getting our feet wet in fulltiming and decided to go with a different unit. I think it is above the average units and sits just below what people here call "true four season 5th wheels" (Mobile Suites and the like). I don't know what you are comparing it to but for what my opinons worth, I felt it was a very nice unit.

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Thanks for the replies. We have looked at Mobile suites at an rv show and New Horizons online. The suites unit was ok but seemed over priced compared to the trilogy. The quality did not seem any better and lacked many of the standard features included with the trilogy. New Horizons looks great but is beyond our budget as well.



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Tim,

Be sure and look around in regards to prices on units.  While the Mobile Suites may likely be higher than the Trilogy, their dealers can be fairly competitive with their pricing.

When we purchased our Mobile Suites, we paid no where near what the MSRP was listed as.  As a rough guide, I've heard of other Suites owners talk of getting theirs for anywhere from $20,000 to $30,000 under MSRP.

I suspect that other manufacturer's dealers may be competitive as well.  It just takes time to research all the features that one wants and needs.

We might not have gone with a Mobile Suites had our needs been different.  But since we will still be living in Oklahoma City for a while (and the winters can be cold) we liked the thicker walls and better insulation.

There are a lot of good manufacturers out there, so take your time in researching.  It does pay off.

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Tim, I second what Terry is saying, don't get in too much of a hurry when doing your research. With the economy the way it is there are an awful lot of high quality 5ers for sale out there and dealers are willing to negotiate on price. When it comes to "all season" rvs, consider what climate ranges you're actually going to be in. I would say the majority of full timers never spend time in areas where they are forced to deal with temperature extremes, so that may be something to consider. The other thing to take a look at is the warranty if you are buying new, some mfgs state very clearly that their warranty is void if the unit is used for full time!!
Not sure whether you're planning on buying new or used, but there are some great prices on used 5ers right now, and with the RV season buying season winding down prices are only going to get better.
Good Luck what ever you decide, hope to see you on the road.

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Just FYI - there are three used New Horizons Majestics on the market at the current time. One is mine, which you can find info on here (along with general info on New Horizons, and what sets it apart). 

There is a 41' 2011 unit for resale (owner bought a motorhome), and also a 2010 39' unit (owner has health issues).  You can contact me for info on any of them.

All of these units can technically be pulled with an F450 if you do not load them to capacity (for example, mine has 6,000 lbs carrying capacity but was under 23,000 lbs loaded for fulltiming - and I carry lots of stuff).

There is a huge variance in fit, finish, amenities, quality of materials/construction, and infrastructiure among 5th wheels. Take your time in your research. 

Feel free to contact us directly if we can answer any questions - even if you are not interested in the New Horizons. We are happy to help. (and no, I am not a salesman - at least for anything other than my personnal rig :)  )



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Tim, check the frame construction on the Dynamax against that of the Suites or New Horizons.

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Tim,
The Dynamax Trillogy was not a unit on our radar but today we stopped at a dealer hoping to see some Mobile or Elite Suites in person. That dealer was closed so we went across the street and stumbled on a Trillogy and were quite frankly impressed with a lot of their features. 8,000 lb axels with H rated tires; 2 Coleman low profile AC's, 40,000 btu furnace, 7,000 btu gas range - 4 burner! 2 ceiling fans in living area; 8.5 ft clearance in center living area, bus style cargo doors, incredible basement storage and woodwork throughout. Amazing pantry! Fabulous sinks in kitchen. Residential largefridge, 6 not 4 automatic stabilizers. (wasn't sure if back two stabilizers being right behind units wheels were too far forward to be of benefit or if very back end might feel movement?). Two side awnings and slide debris covers on slides ( not sure correct terminology. I don't understand all the ins & outs of frame construction but the framework appears substantialand I saw no evidence of cutting corners anywhere. Only 2 floor plans with just baths were only differences we could see.But a very impressive coach for quality & detail. I prefer windows on all 4 sides and this unit had the side entertainment without the tv on a lift & without a window behind tv and except for two side windows on sides of bedroom slide there were no windows on the street side. It appeared short on outlets in both bed and living areas but I'm not sure we looked closely enough at that. We haven't seen anything that comes close to this quality in the well under100K range before but we're just recently started. IMHO only.

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Lets get realistic about RV's and their construction. If a unit is priced at an actual selling price of $100K then the dealer is going to have to show a profit of 20K, at least. The manufacturer also has to show a profit....you can figure that one. Then there is financing (flooring), delivery costs, etc. All off the top. That leaves a certain amount for the actual construction of the RV. What sells RVs is "flash".....interior features and other obvious glitzy stuff. Infrastructure does not typically sell RVs - at least in the broader RV marketplace. So in order to provide for the "flash" the money has to be taken from other areas. Typically, the frame and other construction components. There is no magic here....it has to be that way, because there is only so much economy of scale even in high production runs like the Suites - who build over 500 units a year (of the various models). This is not the automotive industry. ALL RVs are hand built.

So my suggestion is to look carefully at what has been traded off in order to bring you the impressive features you see. I'm not saying this is bad at all. It is simply the way the units are designed and marketed. In order to have less compromises you HAVE to increase the price. Especially with a dealer network that has to take some of the manufacturers margin. In theory a manufacturer-direct sale "could" result in a better end-unit being delivered to the customer, because the dealer profit is put back into the rig and it will sell at the same cost as another unit that goes through a dealer network. In theory. Or, the manufacturer could take that margin as profit and not put it into the rig, or could just reduce the quality of the rig and sell it cheaper (not a factor in this scenario). Just remember that all manufacturers are basically working with the same raw products to produce their RVs. Management practices, good design (easy to build) and other factory practices CAN reduce costs over competition but that is relatively minor factor in cost. So you have to examine any particular unit you are interested in carefully to see where the compromises are. All units have compromises, no matter the price. In the end, it is the buyer that has to decide what they can live with, for the intended purpose of the rig.

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As Jack pointed out for the most part it comes down to math (profits), the one variable that does exist however is operating costs, and new technologies and materials that alter the traditional playing field. Also business model money back into the product or into the pocket. Do your homework, get what is best for you and your budget.....

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All good points to consider. In the end though, I would agree with Jack. After looking for the last several months, we havn't found any units that compare with the Trilogy at the same price point. While the Trilogy has many of the same features of the Elite Suites, a closer look at the specs shows it falls short with the framing. This is reflected in the cost difference. 

We will be fulltiming from Canada into the US and will need the increased thermal protection the Elite Suites or New Horizons will provide with heavier framing and insulation. 

 



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We just bought a Trilogy and plan on leaving for Alaska in May.

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We have just reviewed the Trilogy at the Dynamax facility. It is just what we need. Priced right if you have a dealer willing to negotiate. Like the paint job, no decals! Now for the final decision. We have a Cedar Creek at present and also visited that facility. They too are very nice. They have some great options that will be standard on the new paint scheme. It too will have no decals. We are not full-timers yet but working towards that phase.

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We were at the Hershey RV show today, finally got to check out not only the Trilogy (which we had been staring at online) but also the LifeStyle (formally Carriage/CarrieLite). These are our first two choices for fulltiming now, with DRV in third. I personally fell in love with the LifeStyle, and will continue to watch them grow as a company and with what they will be offering for fulltiming RVing. The New Horizons is beautiful, we don't/can't have that kind of weight or expense.
Keep researching, we are still a couple of years out from fulltiming, so who knows what will be available then! Like, residential fridges in all! LOL. :)


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I am just cathcing up on some of the discussion on the Trilogy.  We visited the 

Dynamax plant just this last Friday, Sept. 14.  Also visited the Cedar Creek

plant, both are Forest River owned.  The Dynamax plnat is very modern and

clean.  They have been makiing MH's for some time but they are new to the

5th wheel business.  Just started in the fall of 2011.  They really do have lots

of standard features, more than any that we have seen.  They seem to be very 

customer oriented and willing to make changes as requested, if possible.  We

looked at a specific unit that was still in their inventory.  They pulled the unit

inside for us to view.  Simply awesome.  The paint is one of the features that

really caught my eyes.  No orange peel, and several coats of clear coat.  Also,

NO decals, all exterior is paint.  Of special interest is the size of the shower.  It

is also very different.  Any way, looks like we will be owners soon of this unit.

You can definitely see their motor home quality in this 5th wheel.



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We looked at the Trilogy at The Hershey show on Sat. we liked it, but we couldn't seem to get an answer on the true R-values of the insulation which is important to us,the 2 new models they have out are similar to the Redwoods RL & RE but comparing the 2 we found that the build quality of the Trilogy was better and a residential fridge is standard!!! We also looked at the Lifestyle LS37IK and were VERY impressed with the build quality and we loved the BIG shower, and we were also able to talk to Elliott the mfg. rep who answered all questions we had even the lingering residential fridge issue which is high on our list of important items which they claim could be standard or at the very least an option in the 2014 model also the full body paint was very nice. Overall our list of fivers shuffled a bit #1 Lifestyle #2 DRV #3 Dynamax . We eliminated Redwood for the most part due to our concerns of sloppy build quality, we loved the New Horizons but they are heavy and probably a little more than we might be willing to spend , but we still have time to look into the NH further,

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Congrats to all the new Triology owners. Have looked at them and really liked them. The one thing I wished they would change is the AC. I don't understand with a higher end unit they are building that they don't go with the quite AC. Wife hates hearing the AC run, and it was a deal breaker for us. Has anyone found out the R-ratings for them? I have tried and not been able to. Also liked the macerator toilet as standard in the 3850.

They are doing something I think more companies should do to help costs and give more to the customer for the money and that is eliminate all the options. Could have changed but the only options they offered where 1. queen instead of king bed, 2. Elec/gas fridge instead of residential, 3. gen prep.

Could the new owners give some feedback from PDI, problems found, and even some feedback after some time in them to let us know how they are doing? I am hoping they are as good as they look, just hard to find out right now since they are so new.

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Travlingman       Glad you mentioned the AC, thats one thing I forgot to mention... It is a bit noisy, they had it running at the hershey show, I thought the macerator toilet was interesting, and I have been surfing around for info on r values this afternoon ...no joy so far



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Defiant wrote:

Travlingman       Glad you mentioned the AC, thats one thing I forgot to mention... It is a bit noisy, they had it running at the hershey show, I thought the macerator toilet was interesting, and I have been surfing around for info on r values this afternoon ...no joy so far



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 I asked a dealer I had been talking to find out, and he said the response from the rep was "dont' worry about that, it is good." I  did notice they say dual pane windows where they can. I looked and all of the windows are not dual pane. One in the bedroom and the hallway of the 3850 were single. I liked the MCD shades, felt lined cabinets and the huge residential fridge is a plus.



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With regards to RV's with residential refrigerators, you might look to see whether the units are also equipped with inverters and what size they are.  When traveling, one might find themselves in a situation without an RV park to find for an overnight stay.  Unless one has a generator, an inverter may be the only way has to power the refrigerator.  Size might be a factor depending on the size of fridge and what other items will need to be powered.  Keep in mind that a pure sine wave inverter is better for computerized equipment, including control circuits of various items in the RV's.  Modified sine wave inverters don't have the "clean" power of the pure sine wave ones.

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I have also been trying to get an answer about the r value of the trilogy. This is important to us. Thee has been no response to emails sent to Dynamax regarding insulation. We will be visiting the Dynamax and DRV plants in early spring and hope to get the info at that time.



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As I had mentioned in an earlier post, we were just at the Dunamax factory. 

I will try to contact the person we met with to see if he will give me the R factors.

If he does, I will post them here.



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trimixdiving wrote:

I have also been trying to get an answer about the r value of the trilogy. This is important to us. Thee has been no response to emails sent to Dynamax regarding insulation. We will be visiting the Dynamax and DRV plants in early spring and hope to get the info at that time.


If you can't get a response from them when asking questions that might promote a sale, I would be concerned about getting a response when you need service.

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Terry and Jo wrote:

With regards to RV's with residential refrigerators, you might look to see whether the units are also equipped with inverters and what size they are.  When traveling, one might find themselves in a situation without an RV park to find for an overnight stay.  Unless one has a generator, an inverter may be the only way has to power the refrigerator.  Size might be a factor depending on the size of fridge and what other items will need to be powered.  Keep in mind that a pure sine wave inverter is better for computerized equipment, including control circuits of various items in the RV's.  Modified sine wave inverters don't have the "clean" power of the pure sine wave ones.

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1000 watt inverter standard on Trilogy.

 



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Thanks Ron, Hope you hear something



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Defiant, if a New Horizons interests you, you might want to take a look at the 2010 I have for sale. It is a good way to get into a luxury 5er with all the amenities at a rational price (rational is relative - this is not a "bargain basement" unit by any means). Although my unit does not have a residential refrigerator, one could be added without much issue. It is difficult to match the build quality and ameneties of a New Horison....but it does depend on just what you are looking for.



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Thanks Jack, We did take a look at yours it is a gorgeous 5ver ,unfortunately it is a little too big for our needs, we looked at the model they had at the Hershey show this past weekend ,it was amazing .quality ,fit and finish were top notch but alas it also was a '42 we are looking at the 37' to 39' ft range ,something we can tow with a 3500 drw, and we have a budget of 160k give or take for truck and fiver, we are still about 2 years away from fulltiming, so I have some time til miss purse strings gives the green light .  



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New Horizons can build you a custom coach on an aluminum frame that can be towed by an F350-class vehicle. It is specifically targeted for SRW F350's. Lengths up to 39' max. If interested, let me know.

BTW, my 5er can be legally pulled by an F450 at the weight I was at fulltiming.

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Jack, are they considered the "LM" model?



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No. It is not listed anywhere. The LM model is a "defeatured" Majestic. None have been sold. (Why would one want to "defeature" a Majestic?)


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Thank You Jack for the clarification....Now back to our regularly scheduled research.....



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rv.org rates trailers and motor homes on a 1 to 100 scale. Its worht the membership to have instant access to ANY RV data you are researching.

 

BTW - there is only ONE five-star rated fifth-wheel still being made ... and that's the New HOrizons. Jack Mayer is a n NH Ambassador, and very knowledgeable about 

HDT's as well as fifth-wheel towing.  



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As some of you already know, we are wannabes and are in the process of doing our "homework".  (I have exactly 44 weeks from today before I can retire!)  Well, I'm on vacation this week and the weather is beautiful, so DH and I left the dear aunt with a caretaker and took off across town to look at Open Range's.  When we arrived, we look at several coaches and then... and THEN we looked at the Triology 3800D3.  My, oh, my!  We fell in LOVE with it!  Not only is it beautiful (which that doesn't really matter), but the amount of storage is incredible!  It seems to fit so many of our requirements.  The pantry is, by far, the best I have seen to date and the drawer/cabinet space in the kitchen/living area is absolutely incredible... not to mention the 250 sq. ft. of storage space in the basement.  What I also liked was that each slide had its own awning encassed in an aluminum housing.  These are in addition to the shade awnings.  We are also trying to think outside the box as far as the bath.  All along we have been in favor of a side bath.  Then, I got to thinking that a mid-bath would open up the bedroom a little more.  This mid-bath model has a full size shower (tub-size, but not a tub).  What is important is that the tub/shower is strong enough on the bottom that it does not "give" with my DH standing in it.  Across from the tub is a very nice sized water closet with a porcelain toilet.  This toilet even had a grinder.   (Terry, it might even be large enough for those sick days!)  The water closet even has a larger sink than I have seen in some other coaches, along with a nice-sized mirror, small window, extra storage, and an exhaust fan big enough to suck up a small human being.  The master closet is a walk-in with built-in shelving and a somewhat small chest of drawers at the end.  Of course, the other end of the closet has washer/dryer hookups.  My DH is 6'-3", so we also love, love, LOVE the higher ceilings throughout.  They are very accommodating and provide a greater sense of space!  Have I mentioned a FULL-SIZE refrigerator?  (We just need to figure out how to keep it running while on the road or boondocking!)  Additionally, the roof is fiberglass and the coach is full-body paint with gelcoat.  The one we looked at also had the TrailAir hitch and 6-point leveling system.  Also included were LED back lights and LED (decorative) lighting up front, as well.  What I also liked were the window shades.  The see-through shades were not the every day pleated shades.  These are like black mesh that with just a quick tug they roll up by themselves.  No hunting around trying to find the day shade or night shade.  Very easy to operate and I like the way the black "mesh" looks and functions.  I do believe this coach also has 8,000 lb. axles.  When I saw only 1 propane tank, I asked where the other one was.  Believe it or not, but this coach is fitted with a build-in propane tank of its own.  The 1 tank I saw was just a back-up.  I thought that was really cool!  The cabinetry... is literally cherry wood.  It is NOT laminate.  We were told that it is so real that if we wanted to sand it down and restain it with another color, we could!

What we also learned today (if I understood correctly) is that Dynamax was once owned by Thor.  We were told that many of the appointments are what we would find in a high-end diesel pusher, for example.  Then, we learned that Forest River purchased Dynamax last year, and we like Forest River.

So, all-in-all, we had a very productive day and learned a lot.  Questions and comments are certainly appreciated.  We still have plenty of time to continue the learning process and, when we can leave home again, want to attend some big RV shows and seminars... namely hosted by Howard and Linda!  Can't wait, ya'll !!!!!  (Yes, I said YA'LL !!!)

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Jo,

That all sounds good, especially since both of you like the unit.  (Let's not talk about the "sick" episode.....I'm still trying to forget that event.)  Your description of things seems to make it look like a really good design.  If that is a residential refrigerator, find out what kind of inverter the coach has, and can you have a larger one installed.  From their website, they stated that it was a 1000 watt inverter, but is it a modified sine wave or pure sine wave?  Can they replace it with, say, a 3000 watt unit?  (Pure sine wave is best for computerized circuits and products.)  Also, will 1000 watts be enough to operate everything well that are on the inverter circuits?

However, I might would be a little bit concerned if that unit really does have a permanently mounted LPG tank and a separate cylinder.  (This is the first time I've ever heard of that on a fifth wheel.)  The reason is because if you have to fill that permanently mounted tank, you will need to either hook up and tow to a LPG dispensing station or call in an LPG truck to deliver to you.  Many places that do deliver, prefer to deliver larger amounts.  The other issue with that is dependent upon how big that permanent tank is, and thus, how much it weighs.

While I've had good luck with Forest River products in the past and have no reason to doubt their quality, I still suggest that you keep comparing, if for no other reason than to solidify your opinion on one you've seen that you really like.  The dealer where we bought our last three RV's is a dealer for some Forest River products.  I guess I need to go see if they have any of the Trilogys and get a close-up look.

Good luck, and have fun.

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Terry, I appreciate and respect your comments.  All are certainly welcomed!!!  On the Dynamax Trilogy 3800 D3 we looked at, the main 97 lb. LP tank is securely mounted in the underbelly between the frame rails.  The fill and vent valves are located in the docking station for easy access.  Since we have never owned an RV before or had an opportunity to refill, are you saying that we might have issues getting it filled this way?  Sure, we can't conveniently take two tanks by themselves to refill, but I'm OK with the ease of just one tank and storing more in the underbelly.  Planning ahead would be necessary, but I'm an extreme planner by nature.  I'm thinking that when we are between sites we could fill up, or put in as much as we think we might need in order to keep the weight down.  Is this not a good idea?  If there is any chance, as you mentioned, to check this unit out, that would be awesome!  Otherwise, the unit seems absolutely top notch.

The inside headroom in the Living Room is 8' 8", 6' 7" in the Bathroom, and 6' 7" ceiling height in the Bedroom.  Further, the sidewalls are radiused throughout.  As far as the walk-in closet, its dimensions are 81" wide, 36" deep, and it has 70" of headroom.  Part of that 81" wide, however, is for a stackable washer/dryer.  There is PLENTY of floor space for shoes, storage boxes, etc.

And very important, Terry, is the frame is a 12" I-beam with rust prohibitive coating.  Additionally, the unit comes with a 12" self-adjusting brake system.

As far as the inverter, it comes with a 1000 Watt power inverter.  I'm not savvy about what is necessary to operate a residential refrigerator, but my DH certainly understands all of that.  (He's an electronic guru!!!!!)

I don't think I mentioned in my earlier post that this unit IS winterized and the underbelly is heated. Very IMPORTANT is that most everything is STANDARD EQUIPMENT!!!  Available options are:  generator prep, Q bed ILO king bed, and 4-door refrigerator ILO residential refrigerator.

It has a "quick and easy winterization system".  What does that mean?

Here are the specs:

Approx. Hitch Weight:  2,400 lbs.

Approx. Dry Weight: 14,800 lbs

GVWR:  18,000 lbs.

LP Capacity:  97 lbs.

Water Capacity:  64 Gallons

Water Heater Capacity:  12 Gallons

Grey Water:  80 Gallons

Black Water:  40 Gallons

Approx. Overall Height:  13' 2"

Axle Size:  8,000 lbs. (X2)

Approx. Overall Length:  41' 10"

AND, the bathroom, refrigerator, and kitchen sink are all accessible with the slides pulled in.  I know the importance of this has been discussed in this forum recently.

Finally, Trilogy owners are covered by one free year of 24-7 Coach-Net protection.  I'm not 100% certain of the warranty, but this unit IS rated for full-timing and, I believe, has a 2-year bumper-to-bumper warranty (normal wear and tear excluded).

I, truly, cannot find anything I don't like about this unit.  As I have researched (and I have done PLENTY of that!), I have always thought I would have to trade off certain things for other things.  But, there is really nothing I would change. 

IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME?

P.S.  Is a 64 gallon fresh water tank sufficient?  For boondocking?  I have NO IDEA how long that should last 2 people who are conservative.

P.S.S.  We do plan to add solar when the time comes.

I am anxious to hear everyone's comments.  I think we're on to something!!!  clap.gif



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If this is a permanent under-mount L.p storage , I would ask the dealer or plan at a later date to install a remote umbilical gas line so you will be able to use 40lb tanks in case you need to or during long stays you will be able to connect to commercial tanks...........I install this on every coach I use.

if you call a propane company with a mayday fill it can cost you 100 to150 just for the truck to show up plus your propane........it cost around the same to install the kit........well worth the money in a pinch and better than having to pull the coach down to have it filled ,or freeze your butt off.......

65 gallons of water is ok.....I would get 2 7gallon totes so you have back up and at least have a way to Replenish manually(as long as your waste tanks are not full...........I keep a 7 onboard for drinks ,coffee and cooking. and light hygiene during boondocking or layovers....it conserves on power and water........also a black 5 gallon pail with a lid makes for nice outside Solar hot water during boondocking!!!

Boondocking is alot of fun once it becomes second nature and once you start to experience wilderness and roadside boondocking you will hate the thought of commercial parking........

When Im on the road I normally only will take a vacation(stay in a FHU site) 2 days a month!!!!!........Life is good, but to live on natures front step priceless!!!!!!!!



-- Edited by Lucky Mike on Tuesday 9th of October 2012 03:42:21 PM

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Lucky Mike, I love reading your posts... and especially from such an experienced RVer!  Just so I understand, how long do you think a 97 lb LP tank (plus a 30-40 lb. tank) will last?  A while?  If that is the case, then wouldn't it be reasonable to just fill up when we are in transit from Point A to Point B?  I don't see any reason why we would go so long as to run out of propane and have to call a delivery truck.  That just wouldn't be prudent!  Also, where are the best places to get LP?  Do dump stations have it?  Truck stops?  Are they few and far between? And about this umbilical you mentioned... do you mean run a line from the LP tank (not the main one in the underbelly) so we can attach a BBQ pit to it, or are you saying that an umbilical is necessary for refueling the LP tank?  My husband said the coach does have a fill connector built in.  Do you mean we need to consider adding another port?

As far as the totes, are they collapsible?  You say you keep a 7-gallon tote onboard for coffee, etc.  Do they have dispensers?  Do you just pour the water into the fresh water tank (somehow) when it begins to get low?  AND, do you all actually DRINK the water from just anywhere?  (I'm wondering how I'm going to brush my teeth if not with bottled water!!)

Also, this Trilogy does not have a ladder that I am aware of.  Is that a drawback?  The way I see it, if I can keep my husband off the roof we can avoid some serious consequences... and I certainly don't want any accidents, especially when boondocking.  I don't mind paying someone else to get up there and check things out.  Could certainly prove to be less expensive than the ER!!!

Boondocking... that brings something to mind.  Yes, I do dream of boondocking and imagine it almost daily; however, I'm a city girl.  (Even though camping was my favorite thing in all the years I was a girl scout!!!)  Why do I fear being out in the middle of nowhere alone (with my husband, of course)?  I just wonder how all of you do that.  The serenity IS priceless, but I just have a fear of "someone" stumbling upon our campsite... someone up to no good.  Can you help me through this... somehow?

Many thanks!!



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duration of how long propane will last you will depend on a lot of factors......are you running heat.....using the oven.....hot water.....refrigeration....

during layovers if you have FHU the odds are you will be using electric on everything so unless your in a snow bank somewhere the under-tank will almost or will go 3 months or better.........during boondocking with good conservation and knowing the fridge is on lp half of that...

This past winter to keep my coach warm in NH (yes in a snow bank) I would use 1 40 lb tank a week for heat , hot water and cooking...hot water ran full time to temp.........a 40 lb tank filled by liquid pump will hold roughly 11 gallons......9 and some change if scaled.....


as far as totes they are available in blue rigid type with spigot or collapsible with spigot.........I use the blue rigid type but I do this only because I love spring water and when Im near them I tend to fill up alot....

as far as strangers in the woods.......few and far in-between you are more apt to see a bear, raccoon or some other habitat type other than human.....

normally burglars ,Rapists , and crazy people tend to stay within city limits its easier to find there victim in volumes and they also like to blend in............its kinda tough to find a victim out in the wilderness!!!!!!.....and wearing a ballcap backwards , boxers pulled up and pants pulled down with hi-top sneakers running thru the woods is not blending in!!!

If you are in your first month or 2 of boondocking I would suggest NOT watching the movie "Deliverance"Before going or if you have I can suggest a couple of good therapists to get you thru it!!!!

the nice part of finally getting out here is you finally let go of what you thought the world was about..........and get to see it as it really was meant to be.!!!!!!!!

 

Remember it takes only a breathe to start life , and only a breathe when it ends.........But the best parts of it are all Breathless!!!!!!



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Very helpful info, Mike!  Your reference to DELIVERANCE made me laugh.  Yes, I saw the movie about 75-1/2 years ago (NOT, but I did see it).  The only thing I remember is that guy's face and E-E-E-E-E-E!!!!!  That's all.



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Jo,

Wow!! So many questions, but I'll try to touch on what Lucky Mike hasn't.  First of all, the 97 gallon LP tank, like other LP cylinders, will only be filled to about 85% full.  So, instead of 97 gallons of LP in that tank, you will have right around 82 gallons.  In Mike's and our case, a 40# cylinder of LP holds about 9 1/2 gallons.  In winter, that will last roughly 5 to 7 days before running out, so 82 gallons would last roughly 50-some days.  (If I've figured right.)  As for weight, 82 gallons of propane will weigh roughly 344 lbs, NOT COUNTING the weight of the tank, so you will have possibly 450 pounds, or more, of LP and tank.  (LP weighs about 4.2 pounds per gallon.)  If you were to have a generator that ran on propane, that 82 gallon tank would be helpful, but it would also use up the fuel faster than just with heater, hot water heater, and cooking.

No ladder but you want to do solar?  I'm not one to answer this, but if one has to clean off the panels or do other maintenance to the panels, a ladder will be necessary.  (Snow or debris on top of the panels might be a problem, although you might not be in places where it snows.)  I also get up on the roof for cleaning of the roof and to clean out the air conditioners at least once a year.

18,000 GVWR with the coach will require at least a 350/3500 series truck to tow it.  A dually would be recommended because the dual wheels provide for more weight capacity for the truck and for more stable handling and turning with the trailer.

If you are considering the option of boondocking, which is great by the way, your fresh water tank may be a bit small.  In our coach, the fresh water tank actually holds more than either the black or grey tanks.  I carry two 5-gallon water jugs and a funnel with a hose on the end that is about 2 feet long.  If worst comes to worse, I can refill the fresh water tank that way, but I don't look forward to filling a 100 gallon tank at 10 gallons at a time.  Others have purchased collapseable bladders and a pump with which to use to truck to go get more water and then pump the water in instead of pouring.

As I mentioned earlier in this, boondocking is wonderful.  Especially if one can get to out-of-the-way places like Jo and I like.  As Mike said, you won't have a lot of issues with crime in those kinds of places, although one does have to consider some things.  We have a favorite place to go that is about 3 1/2 miles off of the highway, is among a lot of trees, and has the Purgatoire River running through a part of it.  In spite of it being an isolated place, we've never had any problems, but we avoid holiday weekends because those places kind of fill up on those occasions.

If you boondock, you might consider a generator, especially if the coach has a residential refrigerator.  The inverter use on the batteries will require them to be recharged and until you get solar, or if you are where there isn't enough sunlight to recharge batteries, a generator will be important.  One does not need to have an "onboard" generator.  Jo and I have a Honda EU3000IS which is enough to power the coach with one air conditioner and a few other things.  The EU3000IS is a heavy unit, weighing 150 lbs, so one could consider two smaller generators (EU2000IS generators each weigh about 45 lbs each) that could be connected together in parallel.

If you have more questions, feel free to ask.  Don't forget, you can also use the "private messaging" function of the forums to ask questions of specific individuals.

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We also lookied at the Trillogy a couple of weeks ago and while we liked it, I was disappointed that they didn't seem to take advantage of the addition head space with the cabinets. Seems like a waste to me, but then neither of us is very tall!

On the built in propaen tank, many Flying J truck stops have propane refill for RV customers. Not the cheapest, but not too bad. Also, we have found that in areas where it gets colder, many FHU parks will arrange for a propane delivery truck one or two days a week. We haven't experienced any additional charge for this service. Also if your coach has some sort of electric heat (say a fireplace) and you add a ceramic heater or two you won't use a great deal of propane for heat. Of course that will mean more electricity use...

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Hi, Kevin and Carol!  I'm not really sure what you mean by not taking advantage of the "head space".  In what area are you referring to?  The overhead cabinets across the back end in the living room were the biggest I have seen thus far and that is probably because the ceiling height in this unit is taller than a lot of units out there.  There are even cabinets over the dinette (which are shorter), then go all the way to the back (which are larger than over the dinette).  The cabinets around the TV and fireplace go all the way around, and all the way up and down.  I even pulled out my brochure to make sure.  There is even a floor to ceiling storage unit next to the front door as well as at the end of the kitchen.  Could it be we are speaking of different coaches?



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It is great to get some feed back on the Trilogy from peaple who have seen it and from the experienced RVers on this forum . We looked at it in January of this year but couldn't find anyone with a review because it was  new on the market. As Mary has pointed out, it has many great standard features such as a fiberglass roof, slide toppers, great storage and high end cabinets etc. For the price it comes well equiped. One of the problems, as I have posted before, is getting a straight answer on the level of insulation. The frame is a 1.5 x1.5 box construction according to the specs but the insulation is not really mentioned in detail like the DRV Elite Suites. We will be taking a factory tour in April and hope to get some answers.

Over all, the Trilogy looks good for full timing for the buck( for a wanabee like me!). It's not a New Horizon for sure but neither is the sticker price! I have read that Forest River products may have issues, but this unit is still made by Dynamax. Any comments about Dynamex product quality.

 

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Hi MarySunshine & others,

You'll see from my earlier post that we were really impressed with the Trillogy ourselves. The pantry & storage was to die for as you mentioned. The ONLY thing we didn't love was the lack of light and the inability to see out all sides. We also didn't like the sales person in Phoenix but that's another story.
If light and views are as important to you as it/they are to us, take a long look. Also, not sure what you call the outside lower panels that are plastic but they were detaching from the unit inthe hot sun. Salesperson said, "that's normal in AZ" but that's where we live!

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I'm looking at the brochure right now.  "The main frame is constructed with a 12" X 10.8 lb. I-beam."  The framing otherwise seems to be on par with other manufacturers.  As far as aerodynamics, "The Trilogy's curved body contours look amazing and channel air flow up and around the fifth wheel cutting through wind, while increasing the tow vehicle's fuel economy and optimizing aerodynamics."  As far as I'm concerned that's another excellent feature.

Someone mentioned issues with Forest River products.  As many have said, and we should all know by now, ALL units have issues of some kind or another.  

CORRECTION!  I would like to make a correction to something I posted earlier.  Dynamax is NOT (or was not) a Thor company.  Dynamax was and is Dynamax.  Forest River purchased Dynamax!  How do I know this?  I called up to the manufacturing plant this afternoon (888-295-7859) and spoke with a very nice gentleman about the Trilogy, specifically. I asked him WHY Forest River purchased Dynamax and he said because Forest River wanted to get into the high-end market.  That would make perfect sense to me.

During our conversation I asked about the R-factor and he was very honest and told me they do not "rate" for the R-factor.  What he did share is that the walls are of 6-sided vacuum bonded construction with high-density foam block insulation and they do NOT use radiant shield.  The Trilogy IS considered a "full season" unit, down to 0 degrees, easily, and they DO warranty for full-timing.  He reiterated that the underbelly is heated and there are heat pads on the tanks.  He also mentioned that the walls are made the same as in the Super Cs that can cost upward of $500,000.  Shouldn't that say something?

As far as the warranty, it is a bumper-to-bumper warranty excluding normal wear and tear.  A second year is available for purchase.

I believe their painting process is top notch.  They go through a 5-step (full body) paint process.  They spray 3 times, sand, and spray twice more.  No decals here.  EVERYTHING is paint!

I also asked why there was no ladder.  He said (and it makes perfect sense) that because the roof has a radius, they did not want the liability.  I can understand that.  Is this a hill to die on?  And one might ask, what if you're in snow country?  I would suppose that once the snow built up to a certain depth, it would slide off the rounded roof.

And I asked about service outside of our "home" base.  He said what we all already know.  If you live in Youngstown, America, but go all the way to Florida for a better deal, you will not be at the top of the local dealer's list because he was passed over.  Again, we all know there are varying circumstances to getting service outside the territory from which we purchased, but service will be rendered, regardless.

Finally, for those of you who may or may not have noticed, the light dome I saw over the extra large shower was clear.  I asked if this would allow too much heat to come in.  He said they have started tinting those darker.  And the small window in the water closet (toilet room) CAN be changed out to clear instead of the rain glass.  I changed out the rain glass over the garden tub in my S&B master bath, and it is the best thing I ever did.  I can see forever now... not so claustrophobic!

I hope this information is helpful to those on this board who have looked at and might be considering a Dynamax Trilogy.  Truthfully, so far it meets more of my requirements than anything else I have seen thus far.  My research is not over until it's over, but so far, this one is NUMBERO UNO in my book!

 



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Sherry, can you better describe the panels you are referring to?

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I hope their fifth-wheel is better insulated than the 26' DynaQuest MH.

My Mom has one and has had some major problems in the summer keeping the frig cool enough to not spoil foods. Has put a LOT of mods in to be able to FT in the rig for the last couple of years, but still has to run to the mountains in summer and south in winter.

There is just isn't enough insulation in the roof or walls to be comfortable in extreme temps.

Not sure of pricing, but I'd highly recommend you check out a New Horizons really closely before making a final decision. They have been rated a 5 star fifth-wheel for many years, and rightly so. 



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Weight.

Price.

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Mary Sunshine wrote:

CORRECTION!  I would like to make a correction to something I posted earlier.  Dynamax is NOT (or was not) a Thor company.  Dynamax was and is Dynamax.  Forest River purchased Dynamax!  How do I know this?  I called up to the manufacturing plant this afternoon (888-295-7859) and spoke with a very nice gentleman about the Trilogy, specifically. I asked him WHY Forest River purchased Dynamax and he said because Forest River wanted to get into the high-end market.  That would make perfect sense to me.


 Correct.  And Forest River is a division of Berkshire-Hathaway....aka Warren Buffet.

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